-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! ARTICLE 9 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SFTT Survey: Money Wasters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: A few examples of the waste and deception categories... *************************************************************************** Ed.: Rank oftentimes has very expensive privileges... ******************************************** B.B. writes: Thought this was interesting: The CG of 4ID has a sleep van, from what I have been told by a member of the 704th DSB. It's a 20ft expandable MILVAN that has sleep compartments for the CG, the Assistant Division Commanders for maneuver and support and the Command Sergeant Major. I heard that from one of the HEMMT drivers who hauls the thing around. He said it was a pretty nice to stay in when in the field... Whatever happened to sleeping, eating, and taking only what the lowest level soldier has? Basic leadership 101. Just my opinion! But what do I know? I am only a junior leader who was trying to do his job. Now I'm off of active duty and it's because of that sort of conduct! ----------------------------------------------------------- An NCO: In my 10 years in the military I have found that the largest group of money wasters are the supply people. Ever notice how their uniforms, boots, battle gear and any other issued items look brand new. That's because it's usually no more than a few weeks old. Thank you for asking -- I have always wanted to tell someone that. ----------------------------------------------------------- Ed.: Maybe not a money waster but a Grand Deception... ********************************************** An Old Vet My son enlisted in the Army and reported to Fort Jackson, SC 3 weeks ago. He still has not started his training. He tells me there have been "thousands" of new recruits sitting around the reception barracks since before 1 October 2000. Appears like the Army wanted to make sure it met the FY 2000 recruiting goals and pushed recruits in, regardless of it's ability to process them. Originally, my son had asked for a reporting date of October 15. He was told that was impossible, as he had to be in basic by October 1st. ----------------------------------------------------------- Ed.: Glad to hear some units get it right - CONGRATS! *********************************************************** A Lieutenant: Our BDE XO (an Armor Guy), MAJ Wyrick, did things right. He had XO/S4 meetings beginning in July to work up an end of year order of merit spending list. We tracked the budget weekly with a goal for every unit to spend money by Sep 15, the funding cutoff date. As far as I could tell, all monies were spent on good items such as new tentage for subordinate units and a few smaller purchases. ============================================================ ARTICLE 10 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Voices from the Frontlines ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Talk the Talk but Walk the Walk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By a future Officer: The article you wrote in SFTT about the military leaders is so true. Granted, I am just at a service academy right now, but it is awfully disillusioning to see the seemingly non-warrior types get the brass. I'm not someone who aspires for great rank and reputation - just want to blow stuff up pretty much- thought I joined the right organization, but I was wrong. You should at least be enthusiastic about getting your commission at an academy, but I don't even know that many people are. Once you get out and discover that combat positions take more out of you than is necessary for the service of your nation (you're doing far more work to defend against the human relations dep. than your country). You know even if I don't get to do that, I should at least be working with and for some of the most loyal people around. I don't like to act like I'm the meanest dude around, but you gotta have the meanest dudes in leadership, the ones with the enthusiasm that can carry a group of men to do incredible feats, and I fail to find that now... ------------------------------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Message to the Politicians ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A senior Army NCO: Do the blind politicians really believe we are anywhere close to the force we where in 1990. We are not even close -- training is a joke, just check the block. Having been in the infantry for 13 years, I'm not sure it's worth it anymore. They won't take care of my family now. I can imagine what they will get when I am gone. I am sick of all the politicians getting on TV and pretending their prayers go out to the servicemen killed or injured. Hell, they can't even take care of us now -- broken gear, broken housing half of my soldiers on WIC or welfare. We can't even get a decent raise. They should try living on my check for a couple of months. Someone should come and talk to the troops because morale really sucks. Thanks for the vent -- Hooahh!!!!!! ------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hanging tough to make a Difference ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: More about treating our troops like grown-ups. *********************************************************** By Rich L. Great point about all the 'talk' about re-enlistments, and Cdr's driver doesn't!! If the BC/Co Cdr can convince and get the trust of his driver to re-enlist, what's next? Up front leadership is the Fix, not PowerPoint and matrix, and we see too much 'form' over substance. I know German Bundeswehr always trusted their troops in the field with beer, and we have to punish our soldiers for Beer? What have we done to ourselves, we entrust national security to 'Strategic Corporals' (as Krulak highlights), and they can't have a lousy Beer, even near beer?? That's why I hang in and keep teaching... =========================================================== ARTICLE 11 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Army: Thin out the Officer Ranks and Rebuild the NCO Corps ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: Greg thought I missed an opportunity to comment on the vastly overpopulated senior officer ranks and how that fits with the leadership, culture, and character of the Army. I think his response nicely complements my recent comments. ********************************************************* By Greg Wilcox, "old/retired" Infantry Lieutenant Colonel You almost put your finger on the real problem in your discussion of leadership and character today. There are just too many officers in today's Army. While the young officer's we have are good, the proportion of officers increases the higher you go without the meaningful jobs to match. As a consequence we (the Army) are overstaffed, over supervised, and overcome by micromanagement. There is now a well-established constituency developed for keeping this present system. Colonels and generals are all taught to be aggressive and competitive. As a consequence, when they get assigned to a do-nothing job, they try to make something out of it. Unfortunately, the result is more paperwork and busy work for someone else. We have to get back to some rational proportion of general officers to enlisted, same for colonels, majors, and captains. We just don't need them unless they are in a critical function or in command. As a result of Vietnam and the instant NCO system, VOLAR, and overpopulation of the senior officer ranks, we still have not given back the NCO Corps the authority they used to have. We give the NCO Corps lots and lots of responsibility but no authority. In my humble opinion, the only saving grace to the current leadership crisis is the solid NCO Corps that has grown steadily better and has held the ranks together. I've seen them do this through persuasive leadership and gruff leadership, but not authoritarian leadership at Ft Stewart and at Conn Barracks in Schweinfurt in the past year. These guys are capable! They don't deserve to carry the burden of too many officers. If you will recall, the officer-enlisted ratio under "Panzermeyer" was pretty credible. I seem to recall that at Normandy it was something like 1:50 or more. So perhaps the fact that our younger officers are walking is not all that bad - were it not for the fact that we are losing a lot of very, very good officers. Yes, many of those that remain are good too, but we need to keep the very best. The troops deserve that. We can't afford to keep the Courtney Massengales. There seems to be no answer to very top-heavy and almost inverted pyramid of senior officers. Somebody in the Pentagon has the job to find even more general officer slots so we can promote more officers. Wrong! Although it is nice for people to get promoted, the law of unintended consequences takes over real fast at the bottom end of the totem pole. My message is that we can do a lot more with a lot less. The Army Personnel Management System is alive and well - and probably doing more harm than good. We need a very good scrub of the DOPMA and the Army OPMS -- even though it was just re-engineered last year. ===================================================================== ARTICLE 12 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Come Talk to US! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: A young NCO asks our presidential candidates to actually talk to the troops... *********************************************************** By J.H., US Army NCO Dear Vice President Gore and Governor Bush: As we move closer to a decision on our new Commander in Chief, I felt that the two of you should have a real understanding of what the real problems within our beloved Armed Forces are. In order for both of you to understand our problems, you must come and speak with us. Unfortunately, you talk the talk but do not walk the walk. Neither of you has visited a military installation and sat down and actually spoke to the troops. If you really want to keep our Armed Forces strong and ready then you should be speaking to the Sergeants, Lieutenants and Captains. Both of you have talked of increasing the Defense Budget, which is good news, but what is more important is what types of systems and benefits you and the Congress will purchase with the American people's money. Both of you have talked of an across the board pay-raise for all troops. On the surface that sounds great and we are not about to turn down a pay raise, but it is important to understand that we are not prostitutes. We are Patriots. We would rather have a better pair of boots, and rifles that do not require high maintenance and are reliable in any conditions. I believe you should consider the fact that not all branches perform the same dangerous missions as other branches. Infantry, Armor, Aviation, and Special Operations perform more dangerous missions than do the support branches. All soldiers' jobs are important, but you should consider increasing the monthly stipends for these dangerous occupational skills. Those who serve in these Special units are among the elite and should be treated accordingly. We are not all equal in the amount of time we sacrifice from our families and the sacrifice we make to be among the Armed Forces elite. We need to use common sense when purchasing equipment for the troops, and we should be careful about relying too much on technology. Do not believe the Generals and politicians who tell you that the economy is the reason for low troop retention and recruitment. It is about the leadership and standards. If we have poor leaders then we will have poorly led troops. If our training standards are lowered then our success on the battlefield will be uncertain, and the combination of both will guarantee lots of filled body bags. George Washington had an Army that was low on supplies, low on recruits and not well trained. The Continental Congress had left town, but the troops remained to fight the good fight because they believed in their cause. General Washington's troops crossed a frozen river to discover that their powder was wet. Instead of giving up on OUR freedom, these patriots fixed their bayonets and marched into that cold night against an enemy force that was better equipped, trained, fed, and rested. General Washington's troops used speed, mobility and surprise to defeat this superior enemy force. We the troops of the US Armed Forces believe in our cause, however, our leadership has forgotten what their responsibilities are to us. They are more concerned with their careers and politically correct social programs. What we don't need are "just in time" spare parts. What we need are spare parts, fuel, ammo and training dollars. We need an environment that encourages our leaders to put their troops first, train to our Fathers Army's standards, and to never give up or leave anyone behind, but most important we need leaders who need know only two words on the battlefield: FOLLOW ME! Come talk to us! =========================================================== ARTICLE 13 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quality of Life Update: Defense Authorization passes; Arrogance in Congress; Readers input on DU and GWI; Government must be TRUTH-ful ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed: Let's pay close watch over our political representatives' generous healthcare ideas. Think Pete hit another nail on the head - if the government took that long to tell us about Agent Orange and nuclear testing, why should we believe them about Gulf war illness and Anthrax. Keep'em on the run!!! *********************************************************** By Pete Peterson, Quality of Life Editor Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://medical.militarybenefits.org/ The FY01 Defense Authorization Conference Report passed the House and Senate last week - finally. For what it contained, read last week's article. Pending signature at the White House, retiree health care will become an ENTITLEMENT. We hope we've heard the adjective "generous" (pertaining our benefits) for the last time. We hope Rep. Steve Buyer (R-IN) was the last to use the obnoxious term. His final pompous appearance before the vote on our "generous" health care benefits was something to behold. Following some "wired" statements about our health care, he just had to add - quite seriously - a warning to military retirees about the new over-65 benefits. "Don't abuse it!" he said. "If you abuse it," he said, co-pays and deductibles may have to be increased. So much for his insider understanding of this "permanent" EARNED benefit - before the House even voted. Rep. Buyer: How dare you? We surmise from your threat that you and Congress are finally going to provide oversight of TRICARE - something you haven't done since you inflicted it on us. We hope you will not continue to ignore other waste, fraud and abuse that's been reported to you, as you watch for our abuse of the system. We hope you'll begin to hold DOD accountable for their failed audits before focusing on our imagined abuse. On the Senate side of the debate, Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-NE) made a point of order they were breaking the budget. As part of his argument, he stated since he did not feel the government owed him anything for his service, everybody else should feel that way after their 20 or 30 years. His motion failed and so did his argument. Every twenty years or so, a politician comes along who truly recaptures the "Moonbeam" title. Concerning Depleted Uranium (DU) being one possible cause of GWI, a reader from Italy replied: "In the last issue of "Voice of the Grunt" you stated: "Depleted uranium does not occur naturally. It is the by-product of the industrial processing of waste from nuclear reactors and is better known as weapons-grade uranium " Well, (that) is incorrect: DU it is NOT the by-product of nuclear waste processing, it is just the other way around, it is the by-product of enriching the Uranium to make it civilian-use grade. Moreover, the DU is not "weapons-grade" (it gets so after further enrichment); it could be better called as "ballast-grade" as it is used as ballast for civilian airliners (the venerable Boeing 747 amongst them) and ships, not to mention its use in M1A2 armor." I don't have an answer for this reader. I used as my source a UK newspaper article. Not being a degreed metallurgist, I welcome a scientific explanation from readers out there as to which came first, DU or Nuclear Waste. Another possible cause of GWI comes to us from this press release: "Congressman Jack Metcalf announced to a House Committee investigating Gulf War illnesses ... that he has issued a report stating that squalene, a substance in unapproved vaccine adjuvant formulations, was found in the anthrax vaccine in amounts that could boost immune response---raising the possibility that squalene was used in inoculations given to gulf War era vets. GAO science investigators have documented concerns regarding the use of novel adjuvant formulations in vaccines, including squalene." This school of thought puts the blame on squalene, not DU. Folks, I don't know the real answer, but will most assuredly get the word out when a definitive finding comes in. In the meantime, a bunch of troops are getting sick and several have died from the mysterious GWI. Many are debilitated. For my generation, the mystery and cover-up is Agent Orange, which you youngsters out there should know, is still a very real problem. GWI and AO have one thing in common. Our government has been slow to find answers and in many cases, misrepresented what they knew for years while they toyed with conflicting data. Arrogant spokesmen from DOD have paraded their poor attitudes in public in many of their statements. Our government does not have a good record for telling the truth or keeping promises. It is up to us all to continue to fight for the truth. Sometimes we get caught in the dilemma of not knowing for sure what the truth is just yet, e.g., GWI. As a historical reminder, telling the truth is one reason Soldiers for the TRUTH (SFTT) was formed by our founders in the first place. May the TRUTH be with you! Congress / DOD: FIX TRICARE NOW! =========================================================== ARTICLE 14 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ GI HUMOR - Joint Rules for Army-Navy Game ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: Once again, the perfect plan for certain victory. ***************************************************** The Pentagon announced new rules for the fall 2000 Army-Navy-Air Force-Marine Corps football tournament. 1. Only flag football will be played. The Joint Chiefs of Staff deemed tackle and touch football too dangerous. First, because of the CNN factor, the public will no longer tolerate even one field casualty. Second, touching another player today, even the congratulatory pat on the behind, is court-martial bait. 2. The phrase "making a pass" will be changed to the less ambiguous "throwing the ball." And the Army, Navy and Marines will be blocked from throws beyond 5 yards because of Air Force protests that it alone owns the long-range air attack mission. 3. The Marine Corps may run with the ball, but no more than 25 yards per quarter, the Pentagon ruled. It was prompted by Army objections to long-range naval ground operations. 4. The Navy may not use tailbacks. The term is too sensitive and should be avoided. 5. To promote interservice cooperation, all teams were ordered to use the same game plan, after receiving suggestions from all four services. The Army's plan, called "The Game After Next," called for handoffs of a digitized football to the fullback, up the middle, on every play. The Army plan's last chapter, titled "Exit Strategy," was oddly blank, which would leave players with no choice but to set up bunkers and temporary housing on the 50-yard line. The Navy's "Forward... From the Bench" plan called for players, each called a ball "carrier," to be surrounded by other Navy football players in a pack called "carrier groups." These units would establish a roaming "presence" all over the playing field. Less important than crossing the goal line is the Navy strategy of being able to protect the carrier group wherever it patrols the gridiron. So threatening are these carriers, the Navy strategy goes, that no one would be foolish enough to even mount a defense. The Marine's "Three-Yard War" plan was predictable: Seize ground, every down, no matter how, regardless of the price, preferably while on the playing field. The linchpin of the Marine game plan called for packing the audience with members of Congress to ensure that the Marines' performance did not go unrecognized. The Air Force's "Fieldwide Engagement" plan kept calling for very long, accurate throws on every down, during huddles, timeouts, half-time, between games, in the parking lot and even in the showers. So fast and accurate would these throws be, went the Air Force strategy, no other team should even bother to take the field. After examining each team's playbook the Secretary of Defense ruled that none could be used, and that each service was left to its own devices. The Navy decided victory could be had by not taking the field. Instead, its players patrolled up and down the sidelines in breathtaking formation, hoping that would sufficiently deter the other teams from leaving their benches. Likewise, the Army decided against taking the field, at least until several conditions were met: one, that vital U.S. national interests were at stake; two, the conditions for victory were concrete and easily defined; and, three, the President would activate 550,000 reserve and National Guard Army football players if the game actually were to be played. The Air Force felt victory could be achieved also by not showing up. Secret plans were later leaked to the press that the Air Force had spent $38.7 bazillion on a system able to fire the football into the end zone from space. Bolstered by congressional resolution to be the "most ready football team when others are the least," the Marines stormed the playing field and declared themselves the winners. And there was joy in Mudville. =============================================================== ARTICLE 15 - MEDAL OF HONOR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed.: WWII -Pacific 1945. A reminder that our naval forces have always been exposed to extreme dangers. In honor of our sailors who gave their lives on board U.S.S. Cole. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your families. If you know of any MOH recipient who is hospitalized or has passed recently, please write James H. Also, if you would like more info on MOH recipients and their stories, please email James H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *********************************************************** GARY, DONALD ARTHUR Rank and organization: Lieutenant, Junior Grade, U.S. Navy, U.S.S. Franklin. Place and date: Japanese Home Islands near Kobe, Japan, 19 March 1945. Entered service at: Ohio. Born: 23 July 1903, Findlay, Ohio. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as an engineering officer attached to the U.S.S. Franklin when that vessel was fiercely attacked by enemy aircraft during the operations against the Japanese Home Islands near Kobe, Japan, 19 March 1945. Stationed on the third deck when the ship was rocked by a series of violent explosions set off in her own ready bombs, rockets, and ammunition by the hostile attack, Lt. (j.g.) Gary unhesitatingly risked his life to assist several hundred men trapped in a messing compartment filled with smoke, and with no apparent egress. As the imperiled men below decks became increasingly panic stricken under the raging fury of incessant explosions, he confidently assured them he would find a means of effecting their release and, groping through the dark, debris-filled corridors, ultimately discovered an escape-way. Staunchly determined, he struggled back to the messing compartment 3 times despite menacing flames, flooding water, and the ominous threat of sudden additional explosions, on each occasion calmly leading his men through the blanketing pall of smoke until the last one had been saved. Selfless in his concern for his ship and his fellows, he constantly rallied others about him, repeatedly organized and led fire-fighting parties into the blazing inferno on the flight deck and, when fire-rooms 1 and 2 were found to be inoperable, entered the No. 3 fire-room and directed the raising of steam in 1 boiler in the face of extreme difficulty and hazard. An inspiring and courageous leader, Lt. (j.g.) Gary rendered self-sacrificing service under the most perilous conditions and, by his heroic initiative, fortitude, and valor, was responsible for the saving of several hundred lives. 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