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Mark Lane got paid by the KGB to travel to Europe and reseach his book. I can't knock him for it, but where are these paymasters when *we* need them? According to Mitrokhin Lane got paid by KGB. What are we going to say about the Mitrokhin revelations when we find out about his CIA paymasters? But I agree about the real question: where do we sign up? Others: Peter Dale Scott, Bill Kelly, Jim DiEugenio (whose CTKA is going down the tubes even as Gus Russo seems to be picking up work on cable TV. Watch that cable special and then read DiEugenio's Destiny Betrayed about Garrison and then tell me who you think is a propagandist), Cyril Wecht, Gary Aguilar. > Bob Harris knows Gus Russo, and was surprised to learn, in the pages of Steamshovel, that Gus Russo did not exist. Or maybe I'm wrong. Peter Robbins knows Gus too, thinks he's a good guy. I know Gus, too, and I think he's a nice guy. So nice, in fact, that when he was given high-level access to people like Richard Helms he naively abandoned his pro-conspiracy analytical thinking cap. > When did wisdom have anything to do with it? Certainly we need to take a critical look at both sides, but in this case I argue for Mitrokhin. Kenn, you are dissing a fellow archivist, Mitrokhin is your soul bro! Certainly under your circumstance you can imagine smuggling things offsite in your shoe? I'd pay people to remove things from my archives, so rare do documents of such historic significance emerge. Mitrokhin actually violated a code of ethics we're all supposed to adhere to, if what he says is true. Although I'm sure the SAA (Society of American Archivists) wouldn't come after him as the KGB might. Poor old KGB. Not even around to defend itself anymore! kt Russophiles Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Jim Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Russo had a conspiracy theory, that elements of the US government found evidence that Oswald had acted with the approval and assistance of the KGB. And then covered it up, for national security reasons. If you look at Angleton as a mole it makes a little more sense than the way Russo describes it, but that's just my opinion. Don't you think it's a wee bit odd that Tracey Barnes at the CIA had Oswald's KGB Minsk files a few days after the hit? Michael Straight's cousin, Barnes, all of a sudden had official word from Moscow that Oswald was a nut. > Poor old KGB. Not even around to defend itself anymore! Oh? Putin is "nash" as Nagell would say - KGB. See: http://cryptome.org/putin-bomb5.htm -Jim Martin Flatland POB 2420, Ft. Bragg, CA 95437 (707) 964-8326 http://www.flatlandbooks.com ***** FeedBack: Vote of No Confidence Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Kenn Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One of the things often missed in the discussion about using computers for elections is the idea of cybernetics. "Computers" are not just hardware and software, but cybernetic control systems that include an element of feedback. When someone votes, a prompt could be written in the code, "Are you sure you want to vote for Al Gore?" before a final decision is made. Great potential exists, too, to create systems that would, for instance, call to the screen someone's complete Congressional voting record for review before casting a vote. (Done right, the voting system should take longer with computer technology, not speed it up.) It's hopelessly corruptible, however, more suited for spying (as in the PROMIS software) than making a more open democracy. But look what we have now. kt www.steamshovelpress.com ***** Dear Robert, I value you Rob...And I sense your struggle for that elusive objectivity. I know u lean left and I lean right...I don't know how well I'd do being objective if I were in your shoes. I do think u would do well too see things thru your conspiracy lenses and take off the political bias as much as possible. I also think that the militia guys could be the only thing between us and jack booted thugs some day. They didn't hardly exist as far as I know during the Philly Move situation. Who knows what they would have done? The reality is there is a nefarious unseen gov't and it seems to be rooted in Satanic cult activity and very powerful. It transcends politics and has basically coopted both parties. Anything you do to raise consciousness about that and not unnecessarily alienate future cobelligerents, including Christians, would seem valuable to me. Hang in there. Your friend Ken Unger ***** Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Harpeau Crapaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Rob: I know you don't give a shit what we think because you just said so, but that does not deter me from thanking you for providing me with the only information that may not be tainted by the USA spinmeisters and BS artists. We may have had arguments in the past, and we certainly do not agree on the "Palestinian" issue, but it doesn't matter, because neither one of us wants to censor the other, ever. Again, Thanks for the good work you do. Regards, Harpeau http://www.xtywebworks.ns.ca/electricfrog.html ***** Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Lee Markland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] As regards Skolnick, the man is, in my opinion, an obfuscator or a borderline personality. Ain't no way that the Rockefellers alone are the major players on the world stage, the Rothschild clan is bigger (much bigger), more wealthy and powerful. And I seriously doubt that any Rockefeller would want to be President anymore, it is much safer and easier to run things from behind the scenes. Calling to mind the advice given to Lord Coningsby, via Benjamin D'Israeli's surrogate for Nathan Rothschild (Sidonia). "As you already see dear Coningsby, the world is ruled by personages, who are very different from those who are regarded as ruling, and do not work behind the scenes." The works of Benjamin Disraeli, Earl of Beaconsfield Coningsby or The New Generation, l904, M.Walter Dunne, NY and London Chapter XXXVIII (Vol XII Earls Edition) (20 Volumes of the Complete Work). It's safer and smarter to run the show from behind the scenes, and let a puppet like our President get the heat. It's not the craven actor on stage that you should be paying attention to, but the stage manager, the puppeteer, the men behind the scenes. As regards the Ruling Houses of Rockefeller (USA and STandard Oil) and Rothschild (Europe, Shell and British Petroleum), there's been a long standing war of "friendly" competition, in which neither bombs the other, but merely use up the blood, sweat and tears of the drones which populate the countries they control. Football coaches don't maim each other but they send in their drones to maim each other. And a little note to the monetary illiterate in this country. The Federal Reserve, although a private corporation, is nonetheless franchised as the Red Cross is, as a Federally Chartered corporation. None of its stocks are owned by private individuals, trusts, foundations, the only owners of the Fed are member banks (as required by Public Law). However, and this is important, the chairman of the Federal REserve answers to, and reports physically to (once a month, Sunday through Tues - no work on the Sabbath - Saturnsday), and receives marching orders from The Bank of International Settlements in Berne, Switzerland. The B.I.S. is owned (meaning shares) by member Central Banks, however and this is very important - 18% of the Shares of the B.I.S., are privately owned (according to their own Annual Reports) and I'll give you one guess as to what family in Europe owns the private shares of the B.I.S. More info, the first President of the B.I.S., which was created out of the Young Act to handle the German Reparation Payments of WWI, was none other than Paul Warburg, the "father of the Federal Reserve", it's first chairman, brother of Max Warburg, head of German Intelligence in WWI, who was forced to resign in 1922 because it was disclosed that he, along with Jacob Shiff, Kuhn, Loeb, Oppenheimer and other Rothschild related "investment bankers" had loaned the Bolsheviks some $25 million. Lee Markland ***** Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Richard Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robert Sterling Editor The Konformist Dear Robert, A very belated thank you for the review you gave to SPECTACLE's Age of Conspiracy issue on the Steamshovel Press website. I just came across it yesterday, after Scott Corrales pointed it out to me! Anyway, thanks for actually taking the time to READ the issue and write a very fair and lengthy appraisal of it. The November issue of FATE magazine also gave us a very brief plug, but even for that I am thankful. Oh yeah, one more thing. We share the same motives for doing what we do. You wouldn't believe the BABE MAGNET that SPECTACLE is... why this very moment as I sit and type this at our very swanky editorial offices, I'm being attended by two young and buxom, thong-clad blonde lovelies. One is feeding me strawberries with cream and the other is ... well I'll leave it to your imagination. GOD, I LOVE independent publishing! Stay well, Cordially Richard Aguilar SPECTACLE PS look for us at your local Tower Records (magazine section) Robalini's Note: Thong-clad blondes? Say, where do I sign up to be part of the SPECTACLE news staff. ***** Easy-to-Send Ways to Help OREGON FORESTS & Wild RIVERS Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Madroneweb (for folks outside of Oregon, please focus first on #3 and #5 below -- hooray!!! easy to send !!! )--basic info is at and (as indicated below) Essentially, environmentalists would love to see a 1,048,200 acre area of vital forest watersheds and wildlife/salmon habitat on federal land in southwestern Oregon be designated the SISKIYOU WILD RIVERS NATIONAL MONUMENT before President Clinton leaves office on January 19th, 2001 -- and we'd like it off-limits to commercial logging, off-road vehicles (beyond the roads anyway) and withdrawn from mineral entry. Siskiyou Project wrote: PLEASE HELP CREATE A SISKIYOU WILD RIVERS NATIONAL MONUMENT If ever citizen input mattered a lot, NOW is the time! This alert provides Email addresses, a free phone # for the President, a free fax link through the web, and letter writing/phone calling info. Thank you for doing as many of these as you have time. Please share this with your friends and contacts. 1. Please contact Representative Peter DeFazio [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-800-944-9603 FAX: 541/465-6458 151 West 7th Avenue, Suite 400 Eugene, OR 97401 2. Please contact Senator Wyden through his aides: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED] SEN. WYDEN (Portland 503 326-7525) (bend 541 330-9142) (Eugene 541431- 0229) (La Grande 541 962-7691) (Medford 541 858-5122) (Salem 503-589-4555) 700 NE Multnomah St. Suite 450, Portland, OR 97232 3. Please visit the Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument website and send a free fax message to the White House and the Governor of Oregon encouraging and supporting the creation of Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument. This is an easy way to include your own written message.Thanks! http://www.siskiyourivers.org/ You can also phone the President for free at1-800-663-9566 from 9 am - 5 pm Eastern time. (press zero to bypass the long recording) It only takes a few minutes, and you won't be challenged, confronted, or debated on your opinions. 4. The Governor of Oregon accepts Email comments through his web page: http://www.governor.state.or.us Click on "public comment". GOVERNOR KITZHABER 503-378-4582 State Capitol Room 254 Salem, OR 97310 5. Find out who your Congressional Representative is and e-mail him/her. If you know your Zip code, you can find them at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ziptoit.html or you can search by state at: http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html You can also find your representatives at http://congress.nw.dc.us/innovate/index.html Direct phone numbers, fax, and district office numbers: http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.html In Oregon: DISTRICT 1 WU (503) 326-2901 (800) 422-4003 620 SW Main, Suite 606 Portland, OR 97205 DISTRICT 3 BLUMENAUER (503) 231-2300 516 SE Morrison, Suite 250, Portland, Oregon 97214 DISTRICT 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEFAZIO 1-800-944-9603 FAX: 541/465-6458 151 West 7th Avenue, Suite 400 Eugene, OR 97401 DISTRICT 5 HOOLEY (503) 588-9100 315 Mission Street SE, Salem, Oregon 97302 For more information on the proposed Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument contact: Siskiyou Project POBox 220 Cave Junction, OR 97523 541-592-4459 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barry Snitkin Siskiyou Project POB 220 Cave Junction, Or. 97523 541-592-4459 Please spend about 3 minutes at our new Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument website and send a free fax message to the White House and the Governor of Oregon encouraging and supporting the creation of Siskiyou Wild Rivers National Monument. thankshttp://www.siskiyourivers.org/ ***** Winning by intimidation A Republican riot squad in Miami shows GOP will try to win at all cost GOP protests, under the direction of a mobile strategy team, shifted from Miami to Broward County Friday. A sheriff's deputy holds back a crowd of Bush supporters as Democratic congressman Peter Deutsch tries to speak to reporters. By Eric Alterman MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR Nov. 24 � It's getting harder and harder to believe one's eyes and ears as George Bush, James Baker and the Republicans grow ever more brazen in their effort to seize the presidency with or without a lawful mandate. As amazing as this sounds, it is distinctly possible that the 2000 election will be decided by a bunch of riotous thugs, operating under the direct control of the Republican Party. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OUTRAGE occurred Wednesday, when ABC News correspondent Bill Redeker discovered that Republican operatives, working out of a Florida-based mobile home, had sent in busloads of hooligans to shut down by force the court-ordered Miami- Dade recount at the Stephen P. Clark Government Center. Republican operatives also set up telephone banks to urge their footsoldiers to join in the riot. Miami's most important Spanish-language radio station, Radio Mambi, issued a summons to all pro-Republican Cuban- Americans to come stir the pot further, with charges of anti-Latino racism against the canvassing board. INTIMIDATION AND FORCE The mob chased down Joe Geller, chairman of the local Democratic Party, because they falsely believed he had tried to steal a ballot. He required a police escort to escape. Louis Rosero, a Democratic aide, says he was punched and kicked by the Republican goons. Others were trampled to the floor as the mob tried to break down the doors of the room outside the office of the Miami-Dade Supervisor of Elections where the votes were being counted. MOBILE TERROR When it was over, the rule of the mob was triumphant. The three canvassers voted to walk away from the recount whose tally would likely have led to Al Gore's victory over George Bush in Florida and in the presidential election. One of its members, David Leahy, acknowledged the protests were a factor in his decision. The other two, perhaps fearful of their safety, declined all interviews. As the mob celebrated its victory, its Republican Party masterminds transferred their mobile home/base of operations to Broward County, where they employed the same tactics against that county's canvassers on Friday. Some conservative pundits have gone so far as to celebrate the triumph of mob rule over democracy and rule of law. Paul Gigot, a commentator for PBS's "NewsHour" and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, praised what he termed the "bourgeois riot." Gigot reporting from the scene, witnessed John Sweeney, a visiting GOP monitor, telling an aide, "Shut it down," and thereby inspiring what he called the "semi-spontaneous combustion" that forced the counters to "cave in." A loyal conservative, Gigot was either unwilling to mention or unaware of the fact that the riot had been pre-arranged by Republican operatives nearby. Nevertheless, he got the sequence he observed right. "The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting `Three Blind Mice,' and `Fraud, Fraud, Fraud' � let it be known that 1,000 local Cuban-American Republicans � [a group to whom violence as an instrument of political intimidation is not exactly unknown]� were on the way." WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE? What's amazing in the few reporters other that ABC's Redeker, that have covered this explosive story is the lack of outrage at these tactics? Not until Joe Lieberman came out on Friday afternoon and denounced this dangerous development did the networks and most newspapers even notice the story. Most of the press reports seemed to believe that the Miami-Dade counters had simply changed their minds for no reason at all. In fact, Wednesday's Republican-sanctioned riot is merely one facet of a campaign that has been remarkably unabashed in its willingness overturn democratic practices and ignore the rule of law in pursuit of victory. House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey has announced that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives reserves the right to overturn the entire election should it decide it does not like the result. "We in the House must be aware of one fact: In the end, when the final analysis is brought to the House, it is our duty to accept or reject that," Armey told the Associated Press. " He is joined in these anti-democratic threats by Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, who has indicted the Florida Supreme Court for allegedly ignoring "the most fundamental principles of our democracy," promising, "This cannot stand." IRRESPONSIBLE THREATS Meanwhile the Bush campaign at the very top has been encouragingly exactly these kinds of irresponsible threats. On the night of the Florida Supreme Court's unfavorable (from its standpoint) decision, James Baker greeted reporters and intimated, "One should not now be surprised if the [Republican-dominated] Florida legislature seeks to affirm the original rules." As E.J. Dionne observed in The Washington Post, "Baker's statement could mean anything from an ex post facto law overturning the court ruling to a legislative decision to ignore the vote counting altogether and unilaterally send a Bush slate to the Electoral College. The message: Nice little electoral system you have here. Too bad if anything happened to it." While Al Gore won the popular vote nationwide and would easily have won the Florida vote were it not for the vagaries of the "butterfly ballot," he is clearly fighting from a disadvantage in this odd electoral aftermath. His party and many of his supporters are of two minds as to whether they even want him to win the presidency. He is being portrayed by the Republican-leaning punditocracy as a sore loser who does not know when to quit. This despite the fact that Gore has abjured many of the avenues open to him through which he might fight the Republicans' fire with fire, and has called on his opponent to make a joint public appearance and to tone down the rhetoric on both sides. But Bush and Republicans want none of this. They can win, they have decided, because they alone are willing to do what's necessary: This includes mob intimidation, public attacks on the judiciary, and, if it comes to this, a willingness to discard the people's vote should it eventually be counted in their opponent's favor. What was an uninspired campaign for the presidency has become an absolutely critical fight for democracy. And it is for that reason rather than his own political prospects that Al Gore must ignore the calls from the pundits and the party hacks that he and Joe Lieberman surrender. History has finally given the hyper-cautious Gore a chance to become an authentic American hero. All he has to do to become one is take his own advice: Stay and Fight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Eric Alterman is a columnist for The Nation and a regular contributor to MSNBC. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist
