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WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE HAD IN COMMON WITH AN IMMATURE 22-YEAR-OLD
GIRL?
I never considered Monica a friend. We never spent time together outside the
office, nor discussed my life. I am not a gossip. The idea that I would
cultivate this foolish young girl is offensive. I thought she was a pest.
But over time, I will say that something kicked in, not a sense of pity
SOMETHING MATERNAL?
Yes. Even now, I have some of those feelings. I felt sorry for her. She was
so very needy. I had kids close to her age, and I couldn�t imagine either of
them craving my attention the way she did that of her mother and father, who
were indifferent, pursuing their own agendas. I was more an ear to listen.
Nothing was more important to Monica than Monica.
DID MONICA�S MOTHER, MARSHA LEWIS, KNOW ABOUT THE AFFAIR?
Not only did she know about it, she encouraged it. She bought her lingerie
to wear when she saw the president, and gave her advice on how to conduct
herself with the president. They were like sisters pursuing their own lives,
telling each other the gory details. Which is one reason I did what I did:
the president, her mother somebody had to be the grown-up.
WHEN DID SHE FINALLY DROP THE BOMB ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRESIDENT
TO YOU?
In October �96. She met me at the Metro and told me as she walked me to
work. She asked if she could call me at home that night; I gave her my
unlisted phone number. That was my first mistake.
BECAUSE SHE CALLED WITH ALL THE DETAILS?
Yes, it was simultaneously horrifying and fascinating. Initially, I was more
than happy to listen. I could not believe that the president would take such
ludicrous chances with his own future, particularly since his Paula Jones
lawsuit was heating up. I was shocked.
DID SHE SENSE THAT?
I knew better than to let her see my horror because of her access to people
who could affect my future. I admit I was disingenuous.
HOW DID SHE DESCRIBE HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?
There was a sense of entitlement�along with outrage and histrionics because
it wasn�t going her way. But she believed there was an emotional element.
WAS IT RECIPROCATED?
Over time, he may actually have liked Monica. But six months into it, he
realized she was unstable and started pulling away, on to his next conquest.
Still, Monica�endearing, manipulative, enchanting, diabolical, though
entirely self-consumed�can be quite likeable.
AND OBSESSIVE?
Monica had a need to relive and analyze every detail of their relationship,
in part to anticipate the president�s behavior. And I found myself caught up
in it. She considered me prudish. Many times I said, �I get it. This was
another blow job day. I don�t need to know the intricacies.� That happened
so often she knew the cigar episode would put me over the edge. [Laughs]
SHE DIDN�T TELL YOU ABOUT THE CIGAR?
I had to read about it afterward; at first I didn�t believe it, because I
thought I knew every detail. When it came to Monica, I was inoculated
against shock. But the cigar brought me back to my initial reaction when she
told me she had �thonged� the president in the White House: Where does this
girl get the nerve?
A QUESTION MANY HAVE ASKED. HOW COULD SHE BE SO UNINHIBITED GIVEN HER
SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT HER WEIGHT?
Monica believed there was comfort in sexuality. I constantly questioned her
about her history with men, saying, �You�re worth more than this.� But to
Monica, sex is like inhaling and exhaling: �I need it, I go get it.� It was
not demeaning, because it provided her with the attention she sought. For
Monica, a hug and a blow job were the same thing.
LET�S GO BACK TO YOUR WHITE HOUSE DAYS. WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
CLINTON AND BUSH?
It was like two different television shows: The Bush administration was The
MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour; the Clinton White House was a cross between
Beverly Hills 90210 and The Young and the Restless.
WERE THE CLINTONS MORE CASUAL?
Completely. President Bush was always dignified; we couldn�t ever wear
pantsuits, even on weekends. President Clinton�and I attributed it to his
age�was far more approachable. Anybody could walk into the Oval Office and
say, �Hey, how ya doin.��
WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION OF HIM?
We met right after the inauguration. I�d been recommended as someone who
could support the Oval Office. He was much taller than I imagined,
incredibly charismatic, exuded energy, remarkably warm and friendly. From
that day on, he knew my name. .I also met Bruce Lindsey, director of
presidential personnel, and worked with him for the next three months.
LINDSEY IS THE ORIGINAL �FOB�; HIS FATHER GAVE BILL HIS FIRST AND ONLY JOB
AS A PRIVATE ATTORNEY.
Bruce is a great guy; we became good friends. His job was presidential
sidekick, ensuring that Clinton�s personal life went well.
WAS CLINTON OPENLY FLIRTATIOUS?
It would be wrong to infer that Monica Lewinsky was unique. Monica happened
to catch the attention of the country, but she was not the only one.
AND THE OTHERS WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
Correct.
WHAT WAS HILLARY�S ROLE HERE?
The first week, everyone was on tenterhooks because a few folks had gotten
into trouble by referring to her as �Mrs. Clinton.� She had changed her name
to Mrs. Rodham Clinton, but we didn�t know. Initially, she was pleasant,
firm, but less friendly than her husband. She was very close to her own
tightly knit staff.
HOW DID HER STAFF OPERATE?
>From the start, there was a power struggle between the Clintons. Everything
was topsy-turvy. Her staff would summon his staff, put the fear of God in
them. I didn�t know why her staff had such clout, or why his team went to
such great lengths to ensure her needs were met, and avoid trouble.
WAS THE PRESIDENT AFRAID OF HILLARY?
[Sighs] Everyone wanted to avoid conflict. There was a digital box
announcing the movements of the president and first lady around the White
House. I can�t tell you how many times Deputy Assistant to the President
Nancy Hernreich would jump up and say, �Oh my God! She�s on her way!� And
things would go crazy.
HILLARY HAD AN ALLY IN VINCE FOSTER, THE WHITE HOUSE LEGAL COUNSEL. YOU
WORKED IN THE COUNSEL�S OFFICE. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF FOSTER?
His very being commanded respect�dignified, decent, kind, smart, quiet,
immensely loyal. Vince Foster was a good man. He was also the Clintons�
personal lawyer, handling Whitewater. Vince spent a lot of time preparing
the Clinton�s �93 taxes.
SO HE MUST HAVE TALKED TO THE CLINTONS A LOT.
Until the president called Vince the night before he died, I was unaware of
him ever making a call to Vince. Hillary talked to Vince often. Her office
was right next door to his.
WHAT WAS THEIR RELATIONSHIP?
Long-standing. I believe at one time they were very close. She was dependent
on him, which, over time, caused a strain. Vince was frustrated about what
he was asked to do and being blamed for�like Travelgate. He wasn�t happy.
WHAT WAS HILLARY�S ROLE IN TRAVELGATE?
Hillary claims that, indirectly or directly, she had nothing to do with it,
when, in fact, she masterminded the entire Travelgate massacre. I know that
Mrs. Clinton lied; I have evidence.
SUCH AS?
I witnessed conversations Hillary had with Vince. I also saw a memo,
relating to the travel office, where she had written those famous words, �We
need these people out, we need our people in.�
WERE YOU ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE TO SEE FOSTER ALIVE?
Yes. He left the office after lunch wearing his jacket, though not carrying
his briefcase. He said, �I�ll be back.�
HOW DID YOU FIND OUT HE HAD PUT A GUN TO HIS HEAD THAT VERY AFTERNOON?
One of the president�s secretaries called me with the news at midnight. I
screamed, cried, woke up my daughter, hysterical. My reaction was so utterly
disproportionate to the time that I had known Vince, but he was the only
person in the Clinton White House with whom I could identify.
IN WHAT WAY?
I never heard him say a bad thing about anybody.
WHAT WAS THE SCENE IN FOSTER�S OFFICE THE NEXT DAY?
Chaos, people milling around. Finally, I closed the doors because there were
no guards, no nothing. Security in the Clinton White House was lax at best.
When you have a high-ranking administration official dead by other than
natural means, there obviously should be an investigation.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING INSTEAD?
Initially, there was shock and grief. But then doors shut, covert weirdness
began. While the rest of us were making arrangements to fly down with the
president for the funeral, the principals were taking care of business.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
An enormous effort was exerted to cover up what had happened after Vince�s
death. Hillary knew that if sensitive materials reached the voting public,
they would cause problems�Whitewater, her investments, their tax returns,
questions about unreported income. All the papers that comprised the
Clintons� personal financial history were in Vince�s office�until they were
moved to the Clintons� family quarters.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY WERE MOVED?
I watched them being removed. An aide, with no reason to lie, testified
before the grand jury that he carried boxes to the residence at the behest
of Maggie Williams, Hillary�s chief of staff, for the first lady to review.
DID THIS MATERIAL SURFACE AGAIN?
Later on, a portion did, like the Rose Law Firm billing records.
WHAT WAS HILLARY�S DEMEANOR DURING THIS TIME?
At the funeral, she was very distant. Most remarkable was her demeanor at
the church. The president spent time with Vince�s family, there was warmth,
but I didn�t see the same between her and the Fosters.
DO YOU BELIEVE FOSTER COMMITTED SUICIDE?
I will never know.
BUT THEY FOUND A SUICIDE NOTE?
No, that was a to-do list having nothing to do with his death.
YOU COMPLAINED TO SEVERAL HIGHER-UPS ABOUT THE IRREGULARITIES YOU SAW.
Yes, I shared my deep concern with Bruce Lindsey. And Bruce, with a smile
that never reached his eyes, said, �Talk like that is going to get you
destroyed.� I was far more stunned by his expression than what he said. I
considered that my first threat.
YOU DID HAVE AN UNCANNY KNACK FOR SHOWING UP AT AWKWARD MOMENTS IN THE
CLINTONS� LIVES.
That�s why I�m referred to as the �Forrest Gump� of the Clinton White House.
[Laughs] I wasn�t under every bush or rock. I was placed in offices where
virtually every scandal was born. With the Clintons, there was a �them
versus us� mentality. Anyone who had been there prior to the Clintons was a
�them.� I lasted as long as I did because I was taken up by major players
like Lindsey.
HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN KATHLEEN WILLEY�S INCIDENT WITH THE PRESIDENT?
WAS SHE A FRIEND?
We didn�t talk daily, but I considered her a friend�far more than Monica.
YOU WERE THE FIRST PERSON TO TALK TO WILLEY AFTER HER OVAL OFFICE ENCOUNTER
WITH CLINTON IN 1993. WHAT DID YOU SEE THAT DAY?
Kathleen stopped by my office on the second floor of the West Wing to say
she was going to see the president and would stop by afterward. Which she
did. I was nowhere near the Oval Office; in fact, I was on my way into the
elevator when she rushed out of it, literally walking into me. And my
instant reaction was, �It happened.�
MEANING SEX?
No, but some sort of romantic thing, because she said, �I need your
lipstick. Come downstairs.� She was flustered: hair messy, red face, no
lipstick, an overall disheveled wreck. She was highly agitated. It�s
possible I misread her excitement for joy.
DID SHE SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT ASSAULTED HER?
She said she had gone into the Oval Office, where the president offered her
a cup of coffee; she still had the cup. After telling him she needed a
paying job�her husband had financial reversals�he made a conciliatory
statement, then�wham.
THE PRESIDENT ALLEGEDLY PUSHED HER AGAINST THE DOOR, KISSED HER, AND RAN HIS
HAND UP HER SKIRT.
She described it as �rough and violent,� which she then attributed to
passion�the redness in his face, his veins popping out. DID SHE SEEM UPSET
TO YOU?
No. Not at the time.
DID SHE SAY SHE WAS FLATTERED?
I believe so, yes. But if she initially perceived it as romantic with a
heavy dose of violence, she now believes it was an attack.
WITH ALL THIS DRAMA, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN RELIEVED WHEN YOU WERE TRANSFERRED
FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO THE PENTAGON IN 1994.
No, I was heartbroken. I have great self-confidence on a professional level,
but not personally. And this threatened the self-confidence I did have.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GO?
Following Vince�s death, I had been interrogated by the OIC [Office of
Independent Counsel] and was far more forthcoming about Vince than the
Clinton people would have liked. What I said in those confidential
depositions trickled back to Bruce Lindsey, the president, Mrs. Clinton. And
I was asked to leave.
YOU NOTICED A DIFFERENCE IN THE PRESIDENT AND HILLARY?
They were cold. It was completely chilling.
CAN YOU BLAME THEM? EMPLOYERS DON�T USUALLY TOLERATE STAFFERS BEING OPENLY
JUDGMENTAL ABOUT THEM.
I�m very judgmental; it�s one of my weaknesses. Because I�m a black and
white kind of person, it leads to inflexibility, probably one of the driving
forces behind why I finally made the decision to come forward.
WHEN YOU WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, YOU BECAME A POLITICAL
APPOINTEE. YOU MUST HAVE BEEN ANGRY.
To say that I was just pissed off would be oversimplifying. Look, they
didn�t have to offer me anything. I was a single mom with two kids, so I was
grateful. But my anger was cumulative, not isolated�me constantly saying to
myself, �I witnessed events that, in a million years, I never would have
imagined happening in the White House�and I said nothing.�
BUT YOU TRIED IN AUGUST 1996, APPROACHING RIGHT-WING LITERARY AGENT LUCIANNE
GOLDBERG ABOUT DOING A BOOK CALLED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS: WHAT I SAW IN THE
CLINTON WHITE HOUSE. THAT SOUNDS RATHER INFLAMMATORY.
If not by a book, how would your average government employee bring forward
evidence of wrongdoing in the White House? Call a press conference? Go on
This Week? My allegiance has always been to the institution of the
president, which was being besmirched. I felt it was very important that the
information become public property. It finally dawned on me that if I did
this good service, I would lose my job. When I walked away, it was only
because I chickened out.
YOU FINALLY GOT YOUR CHANCE TO VENT IN APRIL 1997 WHEN A NEWSWEEK REPORTER,
MICHAEL ISIKOFF, SHOWED UP AT YOUR PENTAGON DESK, ASKING ABOUT KATHLEEN
WILLEY.
I didn�t know that�s what he wanted. He just blurted out, �Kathleen Willey
has said that you are a contemporaneous, corroborative witness of her claim
of sexual harassment against President Clinton.� I kept thinking, Why is
Kathleen surfacing in 1997, when Monica Lewinsky is upstairs obsessing about
not being able to service the president more regularly?
WHAT DID YOU TELL HIM?
I neither confirmed nor denied Kathleen�s story, but I knew then�and Isikoff
told me�that I would be subpoenaed for the Paula Jones case. At that moment
my focus was to warn Bruce Lindsey. After Isikoff left, I called, e-mailed,
paged Bruce, saying, �Urgent. Press emergency.� I made seven or eight
calls�which I assume he regrets to this day not returning.
WHY THE SUDDEN LOYALTY TO LINDSEY?
Because I was now a political appointee and a team player, and this
information was hugely damaging to the White House.
THEN WHY CONFIDE IN ISIKOFF ABOUT MONICA?
Initially, I didn�t name her. But I wanted the information about Monica and
the president to come out. I had the naive idea that an investigative
journalist of his caliber could expose this horrible situation, and I could
stay out of it.
BY TALKING, DIDN�T YOU BETRAY A FRIEND?
I didn�t betray Monica Lewinsky. I figured that whatever happened would be
better for her than the callous abuse she was suffering at the hands of the
president. Getting the truth out would end her obsession. Besides, privacy
wasn�t Monica�s concern; she had already told 14 people.
HAD YOU TOLD ANYONE ELSE ABOUT MONICA?
Only my two female supervisors. Monica called 30 times a day, at home, at
work, left messages, showed up at my desk hysterical, crying. I couldn�t
work.
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