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From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:52 AM
Subject: VRV
> Samantha,
> My computer is locking up so badly I cannot answer your posts one by
> one. Besides, that would use up all of my own posts on a subject that
> has already been posted exhaustively. I will try to answer them
> collectively.
>
> Yes, I read the ENTIRE article about little evidence being found, etc.
> and the title is NOT deceiving. While things are cited that should not
> have happened, they lack the severity and deliberateness required to
> constitute Voting Rights Violations (VRV) and thence the title. No,
> THAT article did not state the State found no evidence of VRV but one of
> yours quoted Fox News as covering that, my original post which set this
> argument off did and there have been a couple of others on list that
> refer to it. No article specifically entitled that but mention made.
> Jeb Bush has set up the committee to try to correct as many of these as
> are correctable but most are voter responsibility. For example, if
> everyone else managed to go around the block to circumvent the
> construction being mislabelled a roadblock, I truly believe blacks are
> equally capable of figuring this out and doing the same. They are as
> capable as the rest of the population and not so ignorant nor stupid as
> to require all sorts of special treatment as though they are mentally
> defective as some seem to think.
>
> As to the article asking where are the Democrats in this, I will explain
> this for the second time very slowly. In the Deep South ever since the
> War of Northern Aggression (you know the one where the rape of southern
> women in New Orleans was declared legal and tens of thousands of women
> and children and elderly starved to death, rendered homeless and having
> everything they owned looted by the "morally superior") ALL local
> politics have been handled by the Democratic party because these war
> crimes were so horrendous and unequalled in this nation's history
> (except maybe the slaughter and treatment of Native Americans), the
> opposite party of the one that did this to the South is the only one
> acceptable on a local level.
>
> Therefore, now actually read this, all local offices are run as a
> contest among Democrats. In other words, if I want to vote in the
> sheriff's primary , or the district attorney or dog catcher, I MUST vote
> in the Democratic primary. Then in the general election, I can vote a
> split ballot. If I want to select a Republican primary candidate, I
> would be given a ballot with only those of that party which would be
> locally blank. And of course one cannot vote in both. It would require
> me to give up voting for any local offices to vote in the Republican
> primary. So anyone with any local interest at all voted Democratic in
> the primary. The local candidates of the Republican party are
> practically non-existent. To this day, that is how it is done here in
> the South.
>
> Now, how and where are polling places actually run? At the local
> level--federal monitors excluded for they merely observe and do not
> participate. Every polling place in the South is rnn by Democrats
> because of the set up for local elections. There might be a few
> exceptions but the number would be so small and I do not think there are
> any. No local candidates run as Republicans any where in the South. I
> guess it is part of the "Fergit, Hell!" symdrome whereby some
> Southerners remain annoyed that their great-grandmother or other
> civilian menbers of their family had war waged on them resulting in a
> death toll higher in the civilian population than the military, etc.
> and all the war crimes committed against this region but that is another
> subject.
>
> Anyway, was it lost on you that all the canvassing committee members and
> chairpersons were Democrats? Republicans like the judge with the
> magnifying glass had to be recruited to even have obserers. This
> creates a serious flaw in the claim that the wrongs were systematic as
> it woudl require Democrats manning the polls to be doing the denial of
> VRV and that is why the Democratic Party is not helping in this matter,
> giving minimal responses, etc. If Ms. Binion had done her homework,she
> would have unearthed this little detail which would result in something
> like Headline: Democrat Poll Workers Deny Voting Rights. It messes up
> the idea that it was those evil Republicans and would have been
> defeating to their own candidate.
>
> Again and lastly, the indicents cited are most unfotunate and certainly
> it is regrettable that they happened but they stop short of VRV which is
> a legal term and as such has certain requirements.The one person being
> deinied a second ballot probably meets the criteria for this but it
> would have been a Demorat doing the denying so there goes the widespread
> plot aspect. Bungling incompetence of this sort is not intentional and
> not having enough ballots on hand is probably not something or which
> charges are going to be made against people who are basically
> volunteers.
>
> The anecdotal episodes cited should not have happened but many have
> explanations (robbery in progress near the poll bringing police and
> dogs, etc.) and trying to make them real VRV cheapens the effort sof
> those who fought true VRV. Sadly, these things happened all over the
> country and to only care about a select self-serving few is wrong. And
> no party is going to accept a vote count after the other side has had
> the ballots to slobber over and handle in this manner. That is why the
> vote at the time of the election, before the end of a straightened paper
> clip could be used to produce "thousands" of uncounted votes can occur
> is the one which stands. Just as the rules cannot be changed after the
> vote is made, the wrongs cannot be corrected during the count. This
> needs to happen between elections and not as a part of the vote count
> and done so as to favor one party over another. The popular vote is not
> how the election was run before hand. It if had been, it is possible
> hundreds of thousands more would have voted for Bush who did not because
> getting enough votes for the electoral votes is all that was required,
> at least until the Democrats did not like the outcome of the original
> and legal count. Who is to say how many did not vote because they were
> certain there were enough votes to swing the electoral vote the way they
> would have voted. This is why the rules cannot be changed during the
> count.
>
> I commend you on amassing all your posts and there is a site on the
> NAACP article about little evidence being found from BET.com where
> evidence can be sent. I encourage you and Radman to send your
> collections of post on this as it might be helpful. Believe it or not,
> while I do not believe they constutite real VRV, I would like to see
> fewer people unhappy with their experience at the polls. Part of it
> needs better education on the part of voters and training for poll
> workers but some of this is intentional confusion on the part of the
> powerful of both (the same) parties to enable manipulation. Also, the
> DOJ has a website that is just www.DOJ.org or .gov and I encourage yu to
> send it there, also.
>
> I hope this explains some of the reasons why I do not believe charges
> will be brought becaue there was not the systematic VRV nor the severity
> to constitute illegality.
> IMHO,
> Amelia
>
> P. S. No, I was not being picky about Radman using my name in the subject
as Kris has asked us not to do that as posts are listed by subject in the
archives, etc.
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