-Caveat Lector- inri, Very briefly, let me see if I can better explain what I tried to say in this post. The problem you describe is a compound problem not a complex one. Compound is large made up of many simple. Complex is a problem in which the solution to one aspect creates another problem of equal or greater proportion. The school issue in this country is very complex. My post was meant to be one person's experience. Combine many of those and you will have many pieces of a bigger picture. My experience would not be like that of others as there is no uniformity of education. It varies from state to state and even school district to district. There are a few over-riding basics, however, making transfer from system to system possible, etc.I do NOT want you to believe anything specific but to gather information which you seem to be doing and THEN decide, not before. You are correct. My statement that ALL the major cities have black mayors and chiefs of police is a vast over-generalization. I tend to do that if the detail involved is irrelevant to the point I am trying to make which is that blacks have about as much self-determination as others. The mayors of Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson are usually black. But my point was also, why are non-blacks leaving the cities for the suburbs and even beyond? That is how the black mayors always come to be elected--the non-blacks have moved beyond the voting districts. Why is that? Also, I should have used non-black in reference to other students as there were a large number of Asians (Indian and Oriental) also present. Now I wonder why parents to not mind their kids attending with Asians if they are just racists? I cannot remember in 16 years of having a child in school a disciplinary incident involving violence and an Asian student. Don't know what that means exactly but that is what happened. Caucasians would have been second after Blacks, interestingly enough. Also, as to the poverty issue, go to the US 2000 census website and check out incomes. Black families that stay together now have 87% of the income that whites do on average. That is fairly close and a 12% difference should not account for vast feelings of entitlement, abuse, etc. So what I was getting at is that if a certain group encounters massive avoidance or the desire to do so from all other ethnic groups, they might want to do a little self-examination and see if they are contributing to this reaction. The social engineering is at play here to constantly divide and upset and if possible, frighten. It worked in the 60's so it seems they will give it a try again. I attended half my lower education in segregation and half integrated schools. We did NOT have these problems but that long ago when people were far more civil. The level of anger and frustration is kept at an all time high now and the old worn out race card is being played yet again. All of my life, I have tried to respect and help blacks in every way because of the social injustices I felt they had endured. I have awakened to find half the basketball team (the black ones) sleeping all over my house many Sat. mornings, allowed my home to be used as an extended locker room during tournaments, bought sports shoes for sports my kids did not even play, etc. as best I was able and have gone out of my way to be kind and certainly fair to black people. However, because I am blonde/blue and born in the deep South, I am now termed a racist no matter what I may have done. This is the latest trend a la Ashcroft, et al.The facts do not matter as a witch hunt is afoot. Blacks are being baited by Jesse and Sharpton, et al into believing they are being mistreated and as a result, any real injustices are exaggerated, etc. for these hucksters to make money and the got has a nice problem to solve for us sheople. Create the problem then fix it. As for a white supremacist household, well, if I could pull that off being the only white with three Hispanic males, one Hispanic female and now a Vietnamese fianc�e, I would indeed BE superior but alas, I remain only as domestic slave. :) Oh, well, such is life. Amelia ----- Original Message ----- From: "inri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers??? > -Caveat Lector- > > > Er, inri, my children are Hispanic. > > assuming you are a real person and not a name created by the government [you > don't think they don't moniter these places and post their bullshit here do > you?] > i seem to have made an unfair assumption. > however, hispanics can still be racists... > and i do not apologize for slandering you as such. > > >They do not utter > > racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family. > > i just can't argue this. > > >The > > blacks where I live often make more money than the whites. > > There are about five counties in my state with a Black > > MAJORITY population. > > good. > > >All major cities in the south have > > black mayors and chiefs of police as do many large cities in > > this country. > > ALL major cities in the south have black mayors AND chiefs of police? > now this is an interesting statistic! > > and you wonder why i'm skeptical about what you say. > > >Your "superior" education has enabled you to > > utter simplistic solutions to a very complex problem. > > a complex problem is merely the sum of many simple problems. > simple problems have simple solutions. > this is the problem solving approach taught here. > so, yes, you are correct. > > >Whatever > > the causation of problems in the US educational system, it > > is much more complex than those to which you attribute it. > > I assure you if it were as simple and clear-cut as you seem > > to think, we could solve it. > > is it really complex? > or is faux complexity a means to prevent solutions? > is complexity a reality or an illusion? > > > As I said originally, you > > cannot grasp the situation from there. > > that is one point of view. > i prefer to take the one that a step back puts things in proper perspective. > > however, as a slightly different answer to this earlier reveals: this > really, really is a subjective point. > > >As a parent, I doubt > > you would be willing to 'sacrifice' your child in the causes > > you state. > > correct. > > >I do not care if I am called a racist any more > > because of the ignorance of the people who use that as an > > excuse and refuse to place any of the blame on those causing > > the element of criminality to flourish in public schools. > > i believe that my earlier response admitted that blacks do indeed commit > some crimes. > and i do not believe i ever stated that they were not responsible for their > actions. > i did, however, attenpt to attack a larger evil - the root of the problem. > in reality, you're the one using racism as an excuse not to look at the real > issues. > > could i get a yea or nay from an iimpartial observer as to whether or not > this was what came out of the first email i sent through? > > > Amelia > > P. 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