I just closed my Discover Accounty; however I prefer Citibank anyway -
while Chase Manhattan Toys R Us - my son keeps getting these $10 gift
certificates he passes on to me to save for my grandson.

No way any part of my money will ever go to this big crook - understand
several lawsuits already in the making against the Clintons - one source
reported Hubbell to write tell all book....
so much for a Rose by any other name would be as crooked.

Nice story here - now let us hope the IRS keeps very close count of all
this money - I know lots of interested citizens are.

Saba



 Front Page
February 7, 2001
Clients call $100,000 Clinton fee outrageous
By Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
     Bill Clinton's $100,000 speech to junk-bond traders at a
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. conference in Boca Raton, Fla., has
enraged some of the investment firm's shareholders and clients. Top
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     "People are calling and saying, 'How could you pay him?'
" said a company figure who spoke to The Washington Times yesterday on
condition of anonymity.
     Others, however, are doing much more.
     Craig Carroll of Gainesville, Fla., and his girlfriend
both closed their Discover card accounts yesterday because of its ties
with the investment firm.
     "It's time we started holding companies accountable for
what they do," said Mr. Carroll, a member of a conservative group called
FreeRepublic.com .
     Elizabeth Sands, who didn't want her place of residence
published, said she decided against investing "a substantial sum" of
money with the firm solely because of the Clinton speech. She also
e-mailed her complaint to the company.
     "Apparently [Morgan Stanley Dean Witter] � which
presumes to handle other people's money �does not see anything wrong
with paying off an impeached president who lied to the nation, to a
grand jury and to his family . . . who is now accused of 'converting
government property' (that's stealing to us commoners) by U-Hauling
furniture out of the White House," she wrote.
     Officials with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter acknowledged
yesterday that angry investors and shareholders have called, but they
would not say how many. They did, however, say some shareholders wanted
to know how they would be affected.
     "If you're a shareholder in the company and the company
is paying someone to give a speech, then that's money from the company
in which you own shares," said company spokesman Brett Galloway.
     But he said it's impossible to tell if the Clinton speech
has an effect on the shareholder's bottom line �the stock price.
     The company's shares on the New York Stock Exchange
dropped $1.55 yesterday to $84.95.
     Still, he said, "If you own stock in Morgan Stanley Dean
Witter, however the company operates in any aspect of its business could
affect that stock price."
     The investment firm said in a statement that Mr. Clinton
was hired by its institutional division, which handles large investors
such as pension plans, and not by its retail division, which handles
individuals.
     "Our clients didn't pay for Bill Clinton," the unnamed
company figure told The Times. "People that may go to an individual
branch, their dollars are not spent on the institutional side of the
firm. The institutional business generates its fees from its own
separate � totally separate � clients."
     Asked whether that meant no individual investor money was
used to pay the speaking fee, the person said, "I can't guarantee that."
     The first paid speech by the former president drew dozens
of protesters Monday night to the Boca Raton Resort and Club in Florida,
the state that decided the latest presidential election by fewer than
400 votes.
     "Hide the women and the silverware. Bill Clinton is in
town," Jack Furnari, 43, of Boca Raton shouted as honking cars roared
past. "You belong in jail, not in Boca."
     Demonstrator Gene McDonald, referring to Mr. Clinton's
last-minute immunity deal over the Monica Lewinsky scandal, said: "This
is a total travesty. Two weeks ago, he just copped a plea to a felony.
Now he's getting $100,000 from Morgan Stanley."
     Mr. McDonald, organizer of the protest and president of
the Florida chapter of www.FreeRepublic.com, a conservative news Web
site, condemned the investment firm for "bringing new meaning to the
phrase 'crime pays.' "
     "If you corporations want to continue to give big bucks
to Bill Clinton . . . you do that at your own risk with your
shareholders," he told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.
     The brokerage firm apparently took seriously the calls
from investors. The company's 13,000 brokers were given "talking points"
on how to deal with complaints from clients, according to the Wall
Street Journal.
     If investors threatened to close their accounts, the
talking points instructed the broker to say, "Please don't make
emotional decisions on your finances based on this event," the Journal
reported. "You should invest on a long-term basis, not your emotions."
     Said Mr. Galloway: "We sent out some guidance to our
branch offices for them to answer questions about the conference. The
guidance was for those financial advisers with clients who called with
complaints."
     Clinton spokesman Jake Siewert brushed off the protest
and said the private speech � and the fee � will remain private.
     "It's a whole new world," Mr. Siewert said. "He's giving
private speeches. He's a private citizen."
     The Boca Raton protest came as Congress prepared to open
hearings on Mr. Clinton's last-minute pardon of Marc Rich, a former Wall
Street commodities trader who fled to Switzerland after being charged
with a host of crimes, including illegal oil trading with Iran and
evasion of $48 million in taxes.
     Denise Rich, his former wife, contributed more than $1.3
million to Democrats � including Mr. Clinton and his wife, Hillary
Rodham Clinton � since 1992.
     It also came amid reports that herbal-remedy marketer
Almon Glenn Braswell, also pardoned by Mr. Clinton, was under criminal
investigation for possible tax evasion and money laundering.
     "No one knew of any ongoing criminal investigation" at
the time of the pardon, Mr. Clinton's office said in a statement.
     Mr. Clinton and his wife left the White House amid
reports of serious vandalism, which is under investigation by the
General Accounting Office.
     The couple have been criticized for taking $190,000 worth
of gifts with them when they left the White House; Mr. Clinton made
headlines when word spread that he wanted to rent a $650,000 office
penthouse in Manhattan; and Air Force One crew told The Washington Times
that the presidential plane was stripped of silverware and china before
the couple disembarked in New York.
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