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"The New York Post said they met 100 times last year. That's an
awful lot of consultation, even for a case as controversial and
complex as Marc Rich's."


Newsmax-Inside Cover

Wednesday Feb. 14, 2001; 12:04 a.m. EST

'Hardball' Explores Clinton's Personal Relationship With Denise Rich

Reporters aren't reluctant to wonder out loud about how much
money multi-millionairess Denise Rich gave to Democrats. Or
whether those donations may have persuaded ex-President Clinton
to pardon of her fugitive-billionaire ex-husband.

 But the press is walking on eggshells over a somewhat dicier
mystery in the Pardongate brouhaha. That is; the question of the
exact nature of the relationship between the voluptuous Ms. Rich
and the former Horndog in Chief?

 The New York Post said they met 100 times last year. That's an
awful lot of consultation, even for a case as controversial and
complex as Marc Rich's.

 Those curious Clinton-Rich tete-a-tetes came up Tuesday night on
"Hardball" with Chris Matthews, who broached the topic with a
very reluctant Michael Tomasky of New York Magazine and the New
York Post's Fred Dicker.

MATTHEWS: What is the role of Denise Rich in Bill Clinton's
life?

DICKER: Hmmm.

MATTHEWS: Either one of you.

DICKER: It's a toss up.

TOMASKY: Yeah, that's a tough one.

MATTHEWS: I mean, here's woman who is a relatively attractive - I
mean, she's an attractive woman. She's about the president's age.
She's about my age. She's a record writer. She writes songs.
She's obviously fun to be with. People suggest she may be like
his social director in New York. Nothing odd -- nothing sexual
necessarily here.

UNIDENTIFIED: Not necessarily.

MATTHEWS: But she's going to help the president around -- get
around New York. She's going to be his social hostess while
Hillary's off being a U.S. Senator.

TOMASKY: Pearl Mesta.

MATTHEWS: Pearl Mesta type, yeah.

DICKER: Right, right.

MATTHEWS: What do you guys think? You're getting very quiet on me
here.

DICKER: Well, I wish we knew the truth. I mean, Michael could get
another book out of it if he knew the truth.

MATTHEWS: Michael, what is the role of Denise Rich in the
president's life?

TOMASKY: I'm glad you put in that it's not necessarily sexual
(laughs nervously). I think that, ah -- obviously (she's) a big
fund-raiser and a big social acquaintance. And that's about all
we know. I mean, I guess these hearings might tell us more.

MATTHEWS: Fred, can you tighten that up a little?

DICKER: Well, I can tell you that within New York Democratic
circles she's been known for some time as an enabler, in a sense
-- I don't mean that in a perjorative way -- an enabler, who gets
together with a lot of rich people who like Democrats who can
help you raise a lot of money and have a lot of fun friends.

MATTHEWS: I think you're right. She has good parties. She raised
two and a half million bucks for him the day he was impeached, or
practically the day he was impeached, in September of 1998. She
came through when he needed help. She pulls together a lot of
people. It's fun. It's rich. It's gawdy but it's better than
nothing. Right?

DICKER: Absolutely.

MATTHEWS: Anyway, that's what I hear.


 The New York Post said they met 100 times last year. That's an
awful
lot of consultation, even for a case as controversial and complex
as
Marc Rich's.

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