-Caveat Lector- Did all the founding father's feel this way? What about Thomas Paine? I was pretty sure Jefferson and many of the others were deists and not Christians at all...was I wrong? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bill Richer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Lie of Separation of Church and State -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! The Lie of Separation of Church and State In this millennium the truth is not very popular. By Ken Mercer GOPUSA.com 02-10-01 The Faith Based Initiatives platform of President George W. Bush has re-energized the debate over Separation of Church and State. The liberal left floods national television newsmagazines with lawyers preaching a doctrine of separation. The honest fact is -- there is no such doctrine. Today we have the power and technology to go online and pull down the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, the 1787 Constitution, the 1789 Bill of Rights, and all subsequent amendments to our Constitution. A simple word search proves -- the quoted separation doctrine is nonexistent. Proponents of Separation then turn us to the "establishment clause" of the First Amendment. They surmise our forefathers did carefully delineated separation. Yet again we have the power to pull down the actual minutes and debate that led to our Bill of Rights. Clearly, the concept of Separation of Church and State is a doctrine completely foreign to our Founding Fathers. What we do find is a fear of what the mother-country England gave the colonies, the establishment of a national Christian denomination. Imagine the irony of escaping the Church of England and King George, only to elect something called a president whose name is George -- and a member of that same church. What if this new Federal Government established a national denomination? What would have happened to the Methodists, Catholics, Quakers, Baptists, Presbyterians, Puritans, and others and their precious right to a free expression of their religion? On January 19, 1853, as part of a Congressional investigation, we find this report from the Senate Judiciary Committee: "They (framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights) intended, by this (1st) amendment, to prohibit 'an establishment of religion' such as the English Church presented, or any thing like it. But they had no fear or jealousy of religion itself, nor did they wish to see us an irreligious people." This report delineated how English Church was the only established church. It was endowed at everyone's expense -- no matter what your denomination. Special privileges were given to the members, and penalties or disadvantages went to those who belonged to "other communions". This is why our wise founders feared the establishment of one religious sect. That Senate report points to the fact that our executive departments are closed on the Christian Sabbath, as are both Houses of Congress. Now here is a real shocker from that report: "We are a Christian people -- not because the law demands it, not to gain exclusive benefits or to avoid legal disabilities, but from choice and education; and in a land thus universally Christian, what is to be expected, what desired, but that we shall pay due regard to Christianity." On March 27, 1854, we find this report from the House Committee on the Judiciary: "Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle." "At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect (denomination). Any attempt to level and discard all religion would have been viewed with universal indignation. The object was to not to substitute Judaism or Mohammedanism, or infidelity, but to prevent rivalry among the (Christian) sects to the exclusion of others." In this millennium the truth is not very popular. The reality is the American people are lied to on a daily bases with separation dogma. Our Founders simply wanted to avoid the creation of a national denomination. Finally, our Founders aligned their reasoning with Article VI of the Constitution. Here we forbid a religious test for a federal office. It is interesting to note these same founders built tests of morality and religion into their respective state constitutions. Plainly, they feared a federal test for office might require membership in one religious sect. This would establish a national denomination - clearly violating our forefather's original intent for the 1st Amendment. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. 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