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In a message dated 3/5/01 6:39:12 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< I'm afraid that YOU are the one who has been mis-educated by the '
gubment'.
There are several good sources from that era as well as more recent ones
which make it quite clear that Roosevelt forced the Japanese to attack us
so that he could get us into a war.>>
During the time this was happening the general consensus of the US public was
that Japan attacked the United States. They did not have the information
that FDR goaded Japan to instigate a war. FDR also did not order the use of
atomic weapons against Japan ... He was dead, Truman ordered the bombing.
Nankato may have hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the revenge
factor, which may have been the real reason the bombs were dropped.
By saying the bombing was "propaganda" do you mean it was done to have other
nations fear us because we had a weapon that was more devastating than any
other nation had at the time? This I could believe.
> << Answer: To use domestically against civilians.>>
>
> All the more reason to be armed, to protect against such tyranny and
> governmental abuse,
J2 wrote:
"You are INSANE if you think you can stand up to the US Gov if it decides to
take your guns, or anything else it wants to do to you. INSANE!"
No, not insane, I just want to protect what few rights I have left. You
pro-confiscation people are highly misled. What if every Jew in Germany had
been armed. Maybe the Nazi's would have been able to round them up
eventually or kill them all while they were resisting, but the Nazi's would
have paid a price. How about if the Russians were armed when all
anti-Communists were rounded up and sent to the Gulag to die, would 20
million have died? And how about Red China when they rounded up their
anti-Communists and murdered 20 million or so ... had they met with 20
million armed people ready to resist things would have been much different.
Just because it hasn't happened here doesn't mean that it couldn't and some
would say it has happened before and may be happening now, especially if you
look at minorities - Indians, African-Americans, Japanese-Americans.
<< > but if you have your way we will be disarmed and
> helpless. You should learn that fabian socialism/communism/fascism's goals
> includes disarming of citizens so they will be helpless against the
"Mother"
> State. Government is not your friend. Government is raw force that needs
to
> be controlled, not set free to run amuck.
I agree 1000%. But dead gun nuts will just create another health hazard as
they
lay rotting in the streets.>>
I'm not a gun nut, but I can see the writing on the wall. I grew up in a
home that had no guns at all and I myself didn't own a gun till I was 48
years old. I don't take it out and play with it, it is a tool, a very
dangerous tool. Funny how the little piss-ant pro-confiscation nuts will
never define what constitutes a gun nut. When this government tries to round
me up because I'm an anticomminist/socialist/fascist I won't go like a lamb
to the slaughter. Maybe I can only take out 2-3 of them, but if every gun
owner does the same as I do, then there won't be any left to carry out the
orders of the government elites and there will still be many gun owners left.
Can't you see that removing guns from the public is a very high priority of
the elites. Why else do you think they spread so much disinformation and
outright lies about guns. Why do they insist that guns kill people and not
the people using the gun? The gun is a tool and the person using the gun to
kill an innocent person is the criminal. The government is so full of shit
when they talk about the right to own a gun for hunting purposes, the second
amendment was written to protect us from the tyranny of government. If you
think that all the antigun propaganda isn't full of lies and distortions you
should read the facts and not from Handgun Control Incorporated or the NRA
(themselves an anti-second amendment group). The facts have been posted many
times on this list with data from the justice department, FBI etc. - even the
government can't hide the facts - they depend on people being too ignorant to
think for themselves and look up the data. A good rule of thumb is that if
the government wants it, you should be against it. The propaganda is raised
every time there is a school shooting, so expect it to rise to new levels
since this newest school shooting spree in Santana high school in Santee
California. Funny that there were very few school shootings before there
became this need to disarm (mid 1960's) law-abiding gun owners ... ever think
about that? California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but
all those laws didn't prevent this kid from shooting up the high school.
Could an armed teacher have stopped this kid? Maybe another couple of dozen
laws would have prevented this tragedy ... not hardly.
<<J2 wrote:
"This is a very important point. We, as American citizens can do much to
prevent the misery our economic and political systems are foisting upon the
rest of the world.
CONTROL YOUR ELITES!">>
Exactly how do you propose to control the government elites? We have been
shown that both the Democrats and Republicans fight over control of voting.
Your vote probably doesn't count. I know from personal experience that
writing Senators and Congressmen don't do much except waste resources.
<< > The second amendment is the most important part of the
> Constitution for the only defense against and armed force is a bigger armed
> force and the armed citizens of this country outnumber the military in
> overwhelming numbers at this time.
Ridiculous. But Darwin has a way of dealing with people afflicted with
ideological brain damage. >>
Ridiculous you say? Check the numbers there are only about 5 million active
duty people in the armed forces, add to that the FBI, CIA, ATF and other
alphabet agencies and maybe you have 8 million of which many will desert
rather than fire on US residents. How many gun owners do you have ...
figures vary from 40 million to 170 million. The military and paramilitary
forces would not have a chance against this armed force with odds of 5 to 1,
or 17 to 1. And if you think the military has the edge with aircraft,
machine guns, etc., just remember that the military had the North Vietnamese
outgunned, but lost that war.
As I remember Darwin had something to say about natural selection and
survival of the fittest. If I have a gun and my enemy doesn't they are at a
supreme disadvantage.
Regards,
Bob Stokes
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