-Caveat Lector- Lassey: Some of our socialist enemies on the so-called Left and some of our socialist enemies on the so-called Right, just as you say, may be a wee bit stupid, but not so stupid as to be properly informed. What has happened is that they have been deliberately misinformed and uninformed by the government schools, the well controlled media, Hollywood, crooked government departments, criminal judges and lawyers, libraries, the publishing and the review industries, and also by their friends who continue to wander under a cloud of mystery, confusion and ignorance. Nor are the leaders of the socialists on the Right and the socialists on the Left, stupid or foolish. Most of them are on the payroll of the tax-dodge, tax-free foundations which were established by the communists and fascists well before the Graduated Income Tax Act was ever proposed. Many of them are working for the government by stirring up the Afro-Americans, the Native Americans and the millions of illegal Chicanos. That the income tax act was never ratified did not bother those who were out to steal everyone's money; now they have hired jack-booted thugs to take not only what is not legally due them, they are now relieving some of our most patriotic citizens of both their lives and their property. To say that: "The person who came up with this idiotic reparations idea needs more than >reparations-he/she needs more brain cells besides the one he/she >has!!!!!!!", is but a means of letting a viscious traitor off the hook. This same sort of thing is going on in Canada right at this same moment, and 'accidents' such as this do not happen coincidentally in one country after another. Roosevelt, like Clinton and Gore, and every president since Woodrow Wilson, have been covertly and diligently, working to destroy the restraining chains of the world's once-greatest Constitution. But as bad as Roosevelt was and the liar he turned out to be, one statement that he did make that was true, was that: "If anything happened in government, you can bet that it was planned that way." The people of the United States REPUBLIC need a very serious awakening. For if, by chance - or a lack of serious knowledge of the Constitution, and what is truly happening in the United States, (and the entire world), the misinformed and uninformed are going to continue to believe that they are living in a democracy - a system of government described as the worst form of government possible - and will possibly lose the whole sheeeebang. Before people can think clearly under the present situation, they must first learn to cast off all of the disinformation and misinformation which was programmed into our parents, our grandparents, and many before them. Recovering one's own mind is no easy task, but it must be done before any significant change for the better can take place. Everything we learned is wrong. And those wrong things which were programmed into us happen to be the only thoughts in our heads with which we can presently process information. The real history has been buried for years by an elitist establishment who are deathly afraid that far too many people are now discovering their treason, and may soon attempt to turn the tables on them. Yours very truly, Cliff Hume. At 07:14 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >The person who came up with this idiotic reparations idea needs more than >reparations-he/she needs more brain cells besides the one he/she >has!!!!!!! > >Stupid!!!!!!!!!! If someone does not like it here in America they are >free >to go to some other, 'better' place, if they can find it. > >--------------------------- > >On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:22:25 -0500 "Nurev Ind." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >writes: >> -Caveat Lector- >> >> www.frontpagemag.com >> >> Debt Wrong >> >> David Horowitz is incorrect. It's time for the >> United States to pay up for slavery. >> by Earl Ofari Hutchinson >> Salon.com |June 5, 2000 >> URL: http://www.frontpagemag.com/dh/hutchinson06-05-00p.htm >> >> >> >> FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER David Ben-Gurion gave >> the best answer to David >> Horowitz's straw man question, >> "Does Oprah need reparations?" >> >> In 1952 Germany agreed to pay >> reparations to Israel. Ben-Gurion called it >> "collective reparation" not just for the Holocaust >> survivors but for "a people that have been persecuted, >> oppressed and plundered for hundreds of >> years." He understood that collective suffering and >> victimization demanded collective restitution. A >> half century later the Israeli government still receives >> billions in payments from Germany, even >> though most Israelis weren't even born during the >> Holocaust and many of them are prosperous >> and successful professionals and businesspeople. >> >> The rest of Horowitz's long-winded diatribe against >> reparations is a mix of misstatements of fact, >> distortions and jumbled logic. But when you strip it >> all away there are four reasons, not 10, why >> Horowitz does not believe African-Americans should >> receive reparations for America's history of >> slavery. >> >> Argument No. 1 -- A handful of Southern planters, not the >> U.S. government, business or whites in >> general were responsible for and profited from slavery. >> >> The U.S. government encoded slavery in the Constitution, >> and protected and nourished it for a >> century. Traders, insurance companies, bankers, shippers >> and landowners made billions off of it. >> Those ill-gotten profits fueled America's industrial might. >> Meanwhile, white labor groups benefited >> for decades after slavery insured that blacks were >> excluded from unions and the trades and >> confined to the dirtiest, poorest-paying jobs. >> >> While many whites and non-white immigrants did come >> to America after the Civil War, they were >> not subjected to decades of relentless racial terror >> and legal segregation as were blacks. This gave >> them the political and economic breathing space needed >> to open businesses, gain access to public >> and private education, enter the professions, and the >> freedom to buy and rent in neighborhoods of >> their choice. They had another advantage. Through the >> decades of slavery and Jim Crow >> segregation, African-Americans were transformed into >> the poster group for racial dysfunctionality >> that Horowitz giddily reminds the world of. The image >> of blacks as lazy, crime and violence >> prone, irresponsible and sexual predators has stoked >> white fears and hostility and served as the >> standard rationale for lynchings, racial assaults, hate >> crimes and police violence. >> >> Argument No. 2 -- Slavery is long past, blacks are >> living better than ever, and besides, they have >> already gotten their payback with welfare, social and >> education programs, civil rights legislation >> and affirmative action programs. >> >> Really? So why did a recent poll by the National >> Conference for Community and Justice, a >> Washington, D.C., public policy group, find that >> blacks are still overwhelmingly the victims of >> racial discrimination? Even this is too charitable. >> It's not, as Horowitz implied, some deep-seated >> victim neurosis that blacks suffer from. They are >> victims of the hideous legacy of slavery. >> >> The result: Blacks make up more than half of the 2 >> million prisoners in American prisons. They >> receive stiffer sentences than whites for possession >> of drugs and petty crimes. They have the >> highest rates of poverty, infant mortality and HIV/AIDS >> affliction and are more often victims of >> violence than any other ethnic group in the country. >> >> They are more likely to live in segregated neighborhoods, >> be refused business loans and attend >> decrepit, failed public schools, than non-whites. >> The beatings of black motorist Rodney King, the >> shooting of Amadou Diallo, the torture-beating of Abner >> Louima and the racial profiling of young >> black males by the police are ample proof that >> African-Americans are still at mortal risk from >> police violence. This raw, naked institutional >> racism is the ugly by-product of slavery. >> >> Argument No. 3 -- Reparations will make everyone >> hate blacks more. >> >> Most Americans agree that slavery was a morally >> monstrous system that wreaked severe pain and >> suffering on America. Even Chicago Mayor Richard >> Daley, no bleeding-heart liberal, in a recent >> candid moment said: "You apologize for a wrong," >> Daley declared. "Slavery was wrong ... >> Slavery has had an enormous effect on generation >> after generation." >> >> Also, there was no national yelp when Japanese-Americans >> interned during World War II and >> Native Americans and Philippine veterans who fought >> with the U.S. Army during World War II >> received special indemnity payments, as well as land >> and social service benefits for their past >> suffering. Most Americans agreed that the U.S. government >> was liable for their suffering and must >> pay. >> >> Argument No. 4. -- There's no precedent for paying >> blacks for their suffering. >> >> This again is dead wrong. The U.S. government admitted >> it was legally liable in 1997 to pay the >> black survivors and family members of the two-decade- >> long Tuskegee, Ala., syphilis experiment. >> The testing, begun in the 1930s by the U.S. Public >> Health Service, turned black patients into >> human guinea pigs. The 399 men were the victims of a >> blatant medical atrocity conducted with the >> full knowledge and approval of the U.S. government. >> >> The state legislature in Florida in 1994 agreed to >> make payments to the survivors and relatives of >> those who lost their lives and property when a white >> mob destroyed the all-black town of >> Rosewood in 1923. This was a specific act of mob >> carnage that was tacitly condoned by some >> public officials and law enforcement officers. >> Florida was liable for the violence and should have >> paid. >> >> The Oklahoma state legislature is now considering >> reparations payments to the survivors of the >> Tulsa massacre of 1921. Reparations advocates do not >> call for simply dumping money into the >> pockets of all blacks including the Oprahs, the Cosbys >> and the Jordans. They propose the >> creation of a development fund to provide more job, >> education and service programs for the >> black poor. >> >> Despite Horowitz's rant against reparations, the >> harsh fact is that the cornerstone of America's >> racial woes remains its brutal mistreatment of blacks, >> and this can be directly traced to the >> monstrous legacy of slavery. That's why many Americans >> agree that if it is legally and morally right >> to pay other victimized groups for their suffering, >> then it is right to pay blacks for theirs -- Oprah >> notwithstanding. >> >> >> >> Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a nationally syndicated >> columnist and director of the National >> Alliance for Positive Action. >> >> Related Stories >> >> David Horowitz, Reparations Are Still a Bad Idea: >> Reply to Earl Ofari Hutchinson, >> (FrontPageMag.com/June 5, 2000) >> >> David Horowitz, Ten Reasons Why Reparations for >> Blacks are a Bad Idea for Blacks, and Racist >> Too (FrontPageMag.com/June 5, 2000) >> >> >> >> E N D >> >> AGREE OR DISAGREE? SEND IN YOUR COMMENTS, >> AND DAVID HOROWITZ WILL RESPOND. SEE IN IN YOUR FACE. >> >> David Horowitz Archives >> >> <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> >> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >> ========== >> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing >> propagandic >> screeds are unwelcomed. 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