-Caveat Lector- .............................................................. >From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "New Paradigms Posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Millard P Fillmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: "Brian Downing Quig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [CIA-DRUGS] OKC Dyncorp Calspan Veridian McV Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:20 AM --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Brian Downing Quig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] OKC Dyncorp Calspan Veridian McV Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:01:08 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [Some interesting data re Ok City I've neverheard of until now.Anything significant really here?Esp the connection to West who was "treating" McVeigh in jail!]mpfdc This seems to be reaching to me. As many are aware I am not a fan of those pushing mind control. When one senior level CIA covert ops manager was asked, How do you get all those people to do all the nasty and illegal stuff? He replied, Easy. We pay them. Science always seeks the simpliest solution which is usually on the money. But I must say there are many interesting aspects here that I intend to check. Brian Downing Quig Bob wrote: > "2 Dyncorp employees killed at OKC", how about > Calspan or > Veridian where McVeigh had worked and Dubya's > blind > trust's The Northern Trust Company had an > interest? > Tie Dyncorp Calspan Veridian the Trust with > Petruskie? > > -Bob > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mike Ruppert" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > "That's just not true. We have a lot of >> contracts in Colombia but we >> aren't >> > involved in this at all. It was not our >> airplane or our crew. We >> don't know >> > who was operating the aircraft but we sure >> are getting a lot of >> calls. We >> > have heard that it was a subcontractor to >> someone but it was not one >> of >> > ours." >> > >> > Dyncorp Spokesperson >> > Charlene Wheeless >> > >> > In an interview with FTW Editor Mike Ruppert >> >> > April 24, 2001 >> > 1210 PDT >> >> >> You're aware, I assume, that at least two of >> those killed in the OKC >> bombing were DynCorp employees: >> >> Shelly D. Bland >> Died on April 19, 1995 >> >> DynCorp Legal Technician Shelly D. Bland, who >> was working under >> contract to the DEA, was killed in the >> Oklahoma City bombing. >> >> Carrie A. Lenz >> Died on April 19, 1995 >> >> DynCorp Legal Technician Carrie A. Lenz and >> her unborn son, Michael >> James Lenz III, were killed in the Oklahoma >> City bombing. > > Linda Minor wrote: > > > http://www.parascope.com/articles/0197/mcveigh.htm > > IN ORDER TO FULFILL HIS MILITARY OBLIGATION, > McVeigh signed on with the Army > National Guard in Buffalo, where he landed a > job as a security guard with > Burns International Security. McVeigh was > assigned to the night shift, > guarding the grounds of Calspan Research, a > defense contractor that conducts > classified research in advanced aerospace > rocketry and electronic warfare. > ...While visiting friends in Decker, Michigan, > McVeigh complained that the > Army had implanted him with a microchip, a > miniature subcutaneous > transponder, so that they could keep track of > him. ... > It is interesting to note that McVeigh claimed > that the Army implanted him > with a microchip. According to Dr. Carl > Sanders, the developer of the > Intelligence Manned Interface (IMI) biochip, > "We used this with military > personnel in the Iraq War where they were > actually tracked using this > particular type of device." > > It is also interesting to note that the > Calspan Advanced Technology Center > in Buffalo, NY (Calspan ATC), where McVeigh > worked, is engaged in > microscopic electronic engineering of the kind > applicable to telemetrics. > Calspan was founded in 1946 as Cornell > Aeronautical Laboratory, which > included the "Fund for the Study of Human > Ecology," a CIA financing conduit > for mind control experiments by emigre Nazi > scientists and others under the > direction of CIA doctors Sidney Gottlieb, Ewen > Cameron, and Louis Jolyn > West. > > According to mind control researcher Alex > Constantine, "Calspan places much > research emphasis on bioengineering and > artificial intelligence (Calspan > pioneered in the field in the 1950s)." In his > article, "The Good Soldier," > Constantine states: > > "Human tracking and monitoring technology are > well within Calspan's sphere > of pursuits. The company is instrumental in > REDCAP, an Air Force electronic > warfare system that winds through every > Department of Defense facility in > the country. A Pentagon release explains that > REDCAP "is used to evaluate > the effectiveness of electronic-combat > hardware, techniques, tactics and > concepts." The system "includes closed-loop > radar and data links at RF > manned data fusion and weapons control posts." > One Patriot computer news > board reported that a disembodied, rumbling, > low-frequency hum had been > heard across the country the week of the > bombing. Past hums in Taos, New > Mexico, Eugene and Medford, Oregon, Timmons, > Ontario and Bristol, England > were most definitely (despite specious > official denials) attuned to the > brain's auditory pathways. > > "The Air Force is among Calspan's leading > clients, and Eglin AFB has farmed > key personnel to the company. The grating > irony -- recalling McVeigh's > contention he'd been implanted with a > telemetry chip -- is that the > Instrumentation Technology Branch of Eglin Air > Force Base is currently > engaged in the tracking of mammals with > subminiature telemetry devices. > According to an Air Force press release, the > biotelemetry chip transmits on > the upper S-band (2318 to 2398 MHz), with up > to 120 digital channels."... > > While monitoring animals has been an > unclassified scientific pursuit for > decades, the monitoring of humans has been a > highly classified project which > is but a subset of the Pentagon's "nonlethal" > arsenal. As Constantine notes, > "the dystopian implications were explored by > Defense News for March 20, > 1995: > > "Naval Research Lab Attempts To Meld Neurons > And Chips: Studies May Produce > Army of 'Zombies.'.... > *** > > http://worf-gw.calspan.com/ > Calspan merged with Veda Corporation and > formed Veridian. > > Veridian was originally formed in 1946 as the > Cornell Aeronautical > Laboratory (part of Cornell University, > Ithaca, NY). In 1972, the company > went public as Calspan Corporation. Calspan > was acquired by Arvin Industries > in 1978, merged with Space Industries, Inc. in > 1993, went independent > through a management led buy-out as Calspan > SRL Corporation in 1995, merged > with Veda to form Veridian in 1997, and now > operates as the privately-owned > corporation, Veridian, which has bought-out > Rail, DatumTech, and Pacific > Sierra Research. > > The Buffalo Operations of Veridian, together > with its sister operations, has > a nationwide staff of over 3,000 professional > and technical support > personnel. Our staff includes numerous > world-renowned scientists and > engineers, whose theoretical and experimental > talents coupled with extensive > experimental and evaluation facilities enable > us to analyze highly complex > problems, test new concepts, and produce > useful and scientifically-correct > solutions and data. > Facilities > Veridian has been continually active in > aerosciences research and aircraft > design, and has helped to accelerate progress > in the flight testing and > systems verification of nearly every > high-priority aircraft and spacecraft > development program in the nation. > http://worf-gw.calspan.com/calop.html > > ==== > > http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/DocFrame.pl?doc=A-7636-0000895813-0 > > 0-000072&fmt=text&nad=&nav=1&x=57&y=29 > > JOSEPH P. ALLEN, CHAIRMAN, VERIDIAN > CORPORATION (SUCCESSOR TO CALSPAN > SRL > Dr. Allen, 62, is a graduate of DePauw > > University with a Bachelor of Arts > degree > and attended Christian Albrechts > Universitaet in Kiel, Germany as a > Fulbright Scholar. He also earned > Master > of Science and Doctor of Philosophy > degrees > from Yale University. Dr. Allen was > an > astronaut with NASA from 1967 to 1985, > when > he became Executive Vice President of > Space > Industries, Inc., the predecessor to > Calspan SRL Corporation, a designer of > > space facilities. Dr. Allen was > elected > President in 1988 and Chief Executive > Officer in 1991 of Space Industries, > Inc. > Dr. Allen was first elected to Arvin's > > Board of Directors in 1985 and his > current > term expires in 2001. He is also a > director of Veridian Corporation. > > STEVEN C. BEERING, PRESIDENT OF PURDUE > Dr. Beering, 67, holds Bachelor of > Science > and Doctor of Medicine degrees from > the > University of Pittsburgh. He was > named > President of Purdue University and the > > Purdue University Foundations in > 1983. He > was first elected to Arvin's Board of > Directors in 1983 and his current term > > expires in 2001. He is also a director > of > Eli Lilly and Company, NiSource Inc., > American United Life Insurance Co. > and Veridian Corporation. > > JOSEPH P. FLANNERY, CHAIRMAN, PRESIDENT AND > HOLDING, INC. . . . . . . . . . > . . . > Mr. Flannery, 67, holds a Bachelor of > Science degree from the University of > Lowell and a Masters of Business > Administration degree from Harvard > University. Since 1987, Mr. Flannery > has > been Chairman of the Board, President > and > Chief Executive Officer of Uniroyal > Holding, Inc. He was first elected an > > Arvin director in 1991 and his current > term > expires in 2001. Mr. Flannery also > serves > on the Boards of Directors of > Ingersoll- > Rand Company, Kmart Corp., Newmont > Mining > Corporation and The Scotts Company. > > ... > > CERTAIN BENEFICIAL OWNERS > As of February 21, 2000, the only > persons or groups known to > Arvin to be the beneficial owners of more > than 5 percent of the Common > Shares, as reported in Schedule 13D, as > amended, in the case of The > Northern Trust Company, and Schedule 13G, > as amended, in the > case of Primecap Management Company, filed > with the Securities and > Exchange Commission were: > NAME AND ADDRESS OF AMOUNT > AND NATURE OF PERCENT > BENEFICIAL OWNER > BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF CLASS > ------------------- > -------------------- -------- > 225 S. Lake Avenue, Suite 400 > Pasadena, CA 91101 > > 50 S. LaSalle Street > Chicago, IL 60675 > > voting and investment power. > Benefit Trust. The Northern Trust Company > disclaims beneficial > ownership of these securities. > > +++ > NOTE FROM LJM: It is interesting to note that > Northern Trust is now in > charge of George W. Bush's blind trust--Lone > Start Trust--previously managed > by his accountant in Midland, TX, Robert A. > McCleskey. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > > Please let us stay on topic and be civil. > To unsubscribe please go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs > -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org > OM > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------3C7B756B9F696062FFC2AC4E Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------721E59EA80F3AF93FE2A3A32" --------------721E59EA80F3AF93FE2A3A32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> This seems to be reaching to me. As many are aware I am not a fan of those pushing mind control. When one senior level CIA covert ops manager was asked, How do you get all those people to do all the nasty and illegal stuff? He replied, Easy. We pay them. <P>Science always seeks the simpliest solution which is usually on the money. <P>But I must say there are many interesting aspects here that I intend to check. <P>Brian Downing Quig <P>Bob wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> "2 Dyncorp employees killed at OKC", how about Calspan or <BR>Veridian where McVeigh had worked and Dubya's blind <BR>trust's The Northern Trust Company had an interest? <BR>Tie Dyncorp Calspan Veridian the Trust with Petruskie? <P>-Bob <P>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><TT>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mike Ruppert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:</TT> <BR><TT>> "That's just not true. We have a lot of contracts in Colombia but we</TT> <BR><TT>aren't</TT> <BR><TT>> involved in this at all. It was not our airplane or our crew. We</TT> <BR><TT>don't know</TT> <BR><TT>> who was operating the aircraft but we sure are getting a lot of</TT> <BR><TT>calls. We</TT> <BR><TT>> have heard that it was a subcontractor to someone but it was not one</TT> <BR><TT>of</TT> <BR><TT>> ours."</TT> <BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>> Dyncorp Spokesperson</TT> <BR><TT>> Charlene Wheeless</TT> <BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>> In an interview with FTW Editor Mike Ruppert</TT> <BR><TT>> April 24, 2001</TT> <BR><TT>> 1210 PDT</TT> <BR> <P><TT> You're aware, I assume, that at least two of those killed in the OKC</TT> <BR><TT>bombing were DynCorp employees:</TT> <P><TT>Shelly D. Bland</TT> <BR><TT>Died on April 19, 1995</TT> <P><TT>DynHREF="http://www.parascope.com/articles/0197/mcveigh.htm";>http://www.parascope.ep track of him. ... <BR> It is interesting to note that McVeigh claimed that the Army implanted him <BR> with a microchip. According to Dr. Carl Sanders, the developer of the <BR> Intelligence Manned Interface (IMI) biochip, "We used this with militar Ecology," a CIA financing conduit <BR> for mind control experiments by emigre Nazi scientists and others under the <BR> direction of CIA doctors Sidney Gottlieb, Ewen Cameron, and Louis Jolyn <BR> West. re <BR> of pursuits. The company is instrumental in REDCAP, an Air Force electronic <BR> warfare system that winds through every Department of Defense facility in <BR> the country. A Pentagon release explains that REDCAP "is used to evalu in Taos, New <BR>& <BR> key personnel to the company. The grating irony -- recalling McVeigh's <BR> contentio <BR> the upper S-band (2318 to 2398 MHz), with up to 120 digital channels."... <P> While monitoring animals has been an unclassified scientific pursuit for <BR> decades, the monitoring of humans has been a highly classified project which <BR> is but a subset of the Pentagon's "nonlethal" arsenal. As Constantine notes, <BR> "the dystopian implications were explored by Defense News for March 20, <BR> 1995: <P> "Naval Research Lab Attempts To Meld Neurons And Chips: Studies May Produce <BR> Army of 'Zombies.'.... <BR> *** <P> <A HREF="http://worf-gw.calspan.com/";>http://worf-gw.calspan.com/</A> <BR> Calspan merged with Veda Corporation and formed Veridian. <P> Veridian was originally formed in 1946 as the Cornell Aeronautical <BR> Laboratory (part of Cornell University, Ithaca, NY). In 1972, the company <BR> went public as Calspan Corporation. Calspan was acquired by Arvin Industries <BR> in 1978, merged with Space Industries, Inc. in 1993, went independent <BR> through a management led buy-out as Calspan SRL Corporation in 1995, merged <BR> with Veda to form Veridian in 1997, and now operates as the privately-owned <BR> corporation, Veridian, which has bought-out Rail, DatumTech, and Pacific <BR> Sierra Research. <P> The Buffalo Operations of Veridian, together with its sister operations, has <BR> a nationwide staff of over 3,000 professional and technical support <BR> personnel. Our staff includes numerous world-renowned scientists and <BR> engineers, whose theoretical and experimental talents coupled with extensive <BR> experimental and evaluation facilities enable us to analyze highly complex <BR> problems, test new concepts, and produce useful and scientifically-correct <BR> solutions and data. <BR> Facilities <BR> Veridian has been continually active in aerosciences research and aircraft <BR> design, and has helped to accelerate progress in the flight testing and <BR> systems verification of nearly every high-priority aircraft and spacecraft <BR> development program in the nation. <BR> <A HREF="http://worf-gw.calspan.com/calop.html";>http://worf-gw.calspan.com/calop.html</A> <P> ==== <BR> <A HREF="http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/DocFrame.pl?doc=A-7636-0000895813-0";>http://www.edgar-online.com/bin/edgardoc/DocFrame.pl?doc=A-7636-0000895813-0</A> <BR> 0-000072&fmt=text&nad=&nav=1&x=57&y=29 <P> JOSEPH P. ALLEN, CHAIRMAN, VERIDIAN <BR> CORPORATION (SUCCESSOR TO CALSPAN SRL <BR> Dr. Allen, 62, is a graduate of DePauw <BR> University with a Bachelor of Arts degree <BR> and attended Christian Albrechts <BR> Universitaet in Kiel, Germany as a <BR> Fulbright Scholar. He also earned Master <BR> of Science and Doctor of Philosophy degrees <BR> from Yale University. Dr. Allen was an <BR> astronaut with NASA from 1967 to 1985, when <BR> he became Executive Vice President of Space <BR> Industries, Inc., the predecessor to <BR> Calspan SRL Corporation, a designer of <BR> space facilities. Dr. Allen was elected <BR> President in 1988 and Chief Executive <BR> Officer in 1991 of Space Industries, Inc. <BR> Dr. Allen was first elected to Arvin's <BR> Board of Directors in 1985 and his current <BR> term expires in 2001. He is also a <BR> director of Veridian Corporation. <P> STEVEN C. BEERING, PRESIDENT OF PURDUE <BR> Dr. Beering, 67, holds Bachelor of Science <BR> and Doctor of Medicine degrees from the <BR> University of Pittsburgh. He was named <BR> President of Purdue University and the <BR> Purdue University Foundations in 1983. He <BR> was first elected to Arvin's Board of <BR> Directors in 1983 and his current term <BR> expires in 2001. He is also a director of <BR> Eli Lilly and Company, NiSource Inc., <BR> American United Life Insurance Co. and Veridian Corporation. <P> JOSEPH P. FLANNERY, CHAIRMAN, PRESIDENT AND <BR> HOLDING, INC. . . . . . . . . . . . . <BR> Mr. Flannery, 67, holds a Bachelor of <BR> Science degree from the University of <BR> Lowell and a Masters of Business <BR> Administration degree from Harvard <BR> University. Since 1987, Mr. Flannery has <BR> been Chairman of the Board, President and <BR> Chief Executive Officer of Uniroyal <BR> Holding, Inc. He was first elected an <BR> Arvin director in 1991 and his current term <BR> expires in 2001. Mr. Flannery also serves <BR> on the Boards of Directors of Ingersoll- <BR> Rand Company, Kmart Corp., Newmont Mining <BR> Corporation and The Scotts Company. <P> ... <P> CERTAIN BENEFICIAL OWNERS <BR> As of February 21, 2000, the only persons or groups known to <BR> Arvin to be the beneficial owners of more than 5 percent of the Common <BR> Shares, as reported in Schedule 13D, as amended, in the case of The <BR> Northern Trust Company, and Schedule 13G, as amended, in the <BR> case of Primecap Management Company, filed with the Securities and <BR> Exchange Commission were: <BR> NAME AND ADDRESS OF AMOUNT AND NATURE OF PERCENT <BR> BENEFICIAL OWNER BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF CLASS <BR> ------------------- -------------------- -------- <BR> 225 S. Lake Avenue, Suite 400 <BR> Pasadena, CA 91101 <P> 50 S. LaSalle Street <BR> Chicago, IL 60675 <P> voting and investment power. <BR> Benefit Trust. The Northern Trust Company disclaims beneficial <BR> ownership of these securities. <P> +++ <BR> NOTE FROM LJM: It is interesting to note that Northern Trust is now in <BR> charge of George W. Bush's blind trust--Lone Start Trust--previously managed <BR> by his accountant in Midland, TX, Robert A. McCleskey. <BR> <BR><TT>Please let us stay on topic and be civil.</TT> <BR><TT>To unsubscribe please go to <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs";>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs</A></TT> <BR><TT>-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org</TT> <BR><TT>OM</TT> <P><TT>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <A HREF="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>Yahoo! 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