-Caveat Lector-
I believe I do owe you an apology Amelia. I obviously meant Aleisha as I
was replying to her post.
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 3:22 AM
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I will expect your ON LIST apology for this, Nate. I have NOT
posted ONE WORD in this thread. I have sent a much more polite
response to the list than you deserve for this. Why do you
use my name attached to a post from Aleisha? Nothing like
trying to smear everybody you do not like with the same brush,
is there? Nothing like the old false accusation and putting
words into the mouths of others and then vilifying them for
those very words.
~Amelia~
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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
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Amelia, you need to seek pshychological help. I believe that
you are holed
up in a ball in the corner with fear that homosexuals are
outside your door
waiting to "sanitize" your clearly missionary lifestyle.
You are truly mentally unstable.
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From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Aleisha Saba
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
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So Gay Pride says Eleanor Roosevelt was a Lesbian and produces
a
disgusting letter to prove it......well she and Janet Reno
would have
made a lovely pair but Reno preferred under-age young girls.
And Lincoln they say, is also one of their treasures - I
believe that
too, for our family preferred John Wilkes Booth who did his
oountry a
great service - he avenged the south, but not soon enough.
While
Booth's great grandfather was Illlumaati and he was alleged
Rothschild
Agent - well if he was, Rothschild will always be on my list
of great
men.
As for sodomy on TV Steve - men kissing and women kissing with
no
clothes on - I did not wait around to see this garbage go
further and
had my HBI and Cinemax removed......aftera 10 oclock now it
seems to be
pervert time on TV.
So in our town when these perverts attempt to, if they dare,
pull someo
of this crap I am waiting for them........and so will a lot of
other
parents and parents, but I do not think our community will
ever sink
that far to the bottom of the bilge.
Below are two items which clearly show what sick and perverted
people we
have in our government now.....
Gay Pride? Will leave them alone, so long as they leave me
and mine
alone - but they are still trying to get after those little
cub scous.
Saba
The idea that chldren are being exposed to this evil element
in our
socieity - this sick, twisted evil element pushing sodomy on
innocent
children.
First of Two Items -
POLITICS
Note to Parents: The following story contains graphic
information of a
sexual nature. While this material is troublesome to us and
will be to
others, it is important to realize that the State of
Massachusetts deems
this information appropriate for teenagers as young 14.
Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex
State sponsored conference featured detailed sexual material
Massachusetts News
A Massachusetts Department of Education employees described
the
pleasures of homosexual sex to a group of high school students
at a
state-sponsored workshop on March 25 at Tufts.
"Fisting [forcing one's entire hand into another person's
rectum or
vagina] often gets a bad rap....[It's] an experience of
letting somebody
into your body that you want to be that close and intimate
with...[and]
to put you into an exploratory mode."
Last year a mother from the western suburbs joined some other
parents
and went to the State House to appeal to the Governor's
office. She was
becoming frantic. Her son at the local high school had been
told by his
musician friends how "cool" it was at the school's
Gay/Straight Alliance
club meetings. She soon found out that the club had watched at
least one
R-rated video of two boys having a love affair. She discovered
some
provocative handouts in his room. He became detached, and she
suspected
that he was experimenting with homosexual relationships.
The principal would not look into it, nor would any other
officials. It
was suggested that maybe she was homophobic.
No one from the Governor's office would speak to her or the
other
parents. A Department of Public Health official finally
listened to them
but afterwards would not return her calls. Later the Boston
homosexual
newspaper, Bay Windows, published a blistering article warning
that
bigoted, homophobic parents were trying to endanger the money
for the
state's gay school clubs.
Each year, Governor Paul Cellucci budgets $1.5 million for his
"Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth." Made up of
homosexual
activists from across the state since 1992, the Commission has
used the
"safe schools" mantra and state money to persuade over 180
schools in
Massachusetts to accept the clubs. Parents and others who
offer any
criticism of the programs are regularly accused of homophobia
and
endangering students' safety. The Governor, who gets much
support from
the gay community, shields the GSA programs from scrutiny. The
Commission does much of its work directly through the
Massachusetts
Department of Education and other state agencies.
The Commission also works closely with a national
organization, the Gay
and Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) to give the
clubs
materials, movies, literature and funding for various
activities. In
all, there are over 700 GSA clubs in the country, many of them
partially
federally funded.
School officials use several arguments to deflect criticism of
GSAs. In
a Boston Herald article last month, Newton assistant
superintendent Jim
Marini brushed aside a parent's questioning of Newton's GSA
activities.
"This is not about sex. This is about human rights," he said.
The school
counselor, Linda Shapiro, added that, "the purpose is to make
gay
students feel safe..."
Sex is Taught
On March 25, the Massachusetts Department of Education, the
Governor's
Commission, and GLSEN co-sponsored a statewide conference at
Tufts
University called "Teach-Out." Among the goals were to build
more GSAs
in Massachusetts and expand homosexual teaching into the lower
grades.
Scores of gay-friendly teachers and administrators attended.
They
received state "professional development credits." Teenagers
and
children as young as 12 were encouraged to come from around
the state,
and many were bussed in from their home districts. Homosexual
activists
from across the country were also there.
To say that the descriptions below, of workshops and
presentations of
this state-sponsored event for educators and children, are
"every
parent's nightmare" does not do them justice. It is beyond
belief that
this could be happening at all. One music teacher who attended
out of
curiosity said that she could not sleep for several nights
afterwards
and had nightmares about it.
Queer sex for youth 14-21
In one well-attended workshop, "What They Didn't Tell You
About Queer
Sex & Sexuality In Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only,
Ages 14-21,"
the three homosexual presenters acting in their professional
capacities
coaxed about 20 children into talking openly and graphically
about
homosexual sex. The purpose appeared to be to train adults who
are
running the student clubs. The three presenters, who described
themselves as homosexual, were:
. Margot E. Ables, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program,
Massachusetts Dept.
of Education
. Julie Netherland, Coordinator, HIV/AIDS Program,
Massachusetts Dept.
of Education
. Michael Gaucher, Consultant, HIV/AIDS Program, Massachusetts
Dept.
of Public Health
The workshop syllabus included:
"What's it like to be young, queer and beginning to date? Are
lesbians
at risk for HIV?.We will address the information you want
about queer
sexuality and some of the politics that prevent us from
getting our
needs met."
The workshop opened by the three public employees asking the
children
"how they knew, as gay people, whether or not they've had
sex."
Questions were thrown around the room about whether oral sex
was "sex,"
to which the Department of Public Health employee stated, "If
that's not
sex, then the number of times I've had sex has dramatically
decreased;
from a mountain to a valley, baby." Eventually the answer
presented
itself, and it was determined that whenever an orifice was
filled with
genitalia, then sex had occurred. The Department of Public
Health
employee, Michael Gaucher, had the following exchange with one
student,
who appeared to be about 16 years old:
Michael Gaucher: "What orifices are we talking about?"
Student: [hesitation]
Michael Gaucher: "Don't be shy, honey; you can do it."
Student: "Your mouth."
Michael Gaucher: "Okay."
Student: "Your ass."
Michael Gaucher: "There you go."
Student: "Your pussy. That kind of place."
But since sex occurred "when an orifice was filled," the next
question
was how lesbians could "have sex." Margot Abels discussed
whether a
dildo had to be involved; when it was too big or too small;
and what
homosexual resources students could consult to get similar
questions
answered.
Role playing and "carpet munching"
Then the children were asked to role-play. One student was to
act the
part of "a young lesbian who's really enraptured with another
woman, and
it's really coming down to the wire and you're thinking about
having
sex." The other student played the "hip GSA (gay, straight
alliance)
lesbian advisor, who you feel you can talk to." The
"counseling"
included discussions of lesbian sex, oral-vaginal contact, or
"carpet
munching," as one student put it. The student asked whether it
would
smell like fish. At that point the session turned to another
subject.
"A lesson in fisting?"
There was a five minute pause so that all of the teenagers
could write
down questions for the homosexual presenters. The first
question was
read by Julie Netherland, "What's fisting?"
A student answered this question by informing the class that
"fisting"
is when you put your "whole hand into the ass or pussy" of
another. When
a few of the students winced, the Department of Public Health
employee
offered, "A little known fact about fisting, you don't make a
fist, like
this. It's like this," forming his hand into the shape of a
tear drop
rather than a balled fist. He informed the children that it
was much
easier.
Margot Abels told the students that "fisting" is not about
forcing your
hand into somebody's "hole, opening or orifice" if they don't
want it
there. She said that "usually" the person was very relaxed and
opened
him or herself up to the other. She informed the class that it
is a very
emotional and intense experience.
At this point, a child of about 16 asked why someone would
want to do
that. He stated that if the hand were pulled out quickly, the
whole
thing didn't sound very appealing to him. Margot Abels was
sure to point
out that although fisting "often gets a really bad rap," it
usually
isn't about the pain, "not that we're putting that down."
Margot Abels
informed him and the class that "fisting" was "an experience
of letting
somebody into your body that you want to be that close and
intimate
with." When a child asked the question, "Why would someone do
this?"
Margot Abels provided a comfortable response to the children
in order to
"put them into an exploratory mode."
"Rubbing each others' clits."
Michael Gaucher presented the next question, "Do lesbians rub
their
clits together?"
Michael Gaucher and Margot Abels asked the kids if they
thought it was
possible and whether someone would do a "hand-diagram" for the
class. No
one volunteered, but a girl who looked about 15 or 16 then
stepped up to
the board and drew a three foot high vagina and labeled each
of the
labia, the clitoris, and "put up inside the 'G'-spot." While
drawing,
Michael Gaucher told her to use the "pink" chalk, to which
Margot Abels
responded, "not everyone is pink, honey." All of the children
laughed.
After the chalk vagina was complete, the children remarked on
the size
of the "clit," and the presenters stated that that was a
gifted woman.
Then Margot Abels informed all of the young girls that indeed,
you can
rub your "clitori" together, either with or without clothes,
and "you
can definitely orgasm from it." Michael Gaucher told the kids
that
"there is a name for this: tribadism," which he wrote on the
board and
told one girl who looked about 14 to "bring that vocabulary
word back to
Bedford." Julie Netherland informed the children that it
wasn't too
difficult because "when you are sexually aroused, your clit
gets
bigger."
"Should you spit after you suck another boy (or a man)?"
Michael Gaucher read the following from a card: "Cum and
calories: Spit
versus swallow and the health concerns." Gaucher informed the
children
that although he didn't know the calorie count of male
ejaculation, he
has "heard that it's sweeter if people eat celery." He then
asked the
boys, "Is it rude not to swallow?" Many of the high school
boys mumbled
"No," but one about the age of 16 said emphatically, "Oh no!"
One boy,
again about the age of 16, offered his advice on avoiding
HIV/AIDS
transmission while giving oral sex by not brushing your teeth
or eating
course food for four hours before you "go down on a guy,"
"because then
you probably don't want to be swallowing cum."
Another question asked was whether oral sex was better with
tongue
rings. A 16 year old student murmured, "Yes," to which all of
the
children laughed. Michael Gaucher said, "There you have it"
and stated
something to the effect that the debate has ended.
Use a condom? It's your decision, really.
One often hears that there is an aggressive HIV/AIDS
prevention
campaign, but the session ran 55 minutes before the first
mention of
"protection" and safer sex came. In the context of the "safer
sex"
discussion, however, it was pointed out that these children
could make
an "informed decision" not to use a condom. Outside in the
conference
hall, the children could easily obtain as many condoms,
vaginal condoms,
and other contraceptive devices as they wished from various
organizations which distribute such.
Well, yes.it really is about sex!
Another popular session was presented by the same three public
employees
in their professional capacity and was called, "Putting the
'Sex' Back
Into Sexual Orientation: Classroom Strategies for Health &
Sexuality
Educators."
The workshop description included:
. What does it mean to say "being gay, lesbian and bisexual
isn't
about sex?".How can we deny that sexuality is central for all
of us?
How do we learn to address the unique concerns of queer
youth?.This
workshop is for educators to examine strategies for
integrating
sexuality education and HIV prevention content specific to
gay, lesbian
and bisexual students into the classroom and GSA's..additional
strategies will be discussed.
The three presenters now assumed the task of teaching teachers
how to
facilitate discussions about "queer sex" with their students.
Tired of denying it
Margot Abels opened by telling the room full of teachers (and
two high
school students), "We always feel like we are fighting against
people
who deny publicly, who say privately, that being queer is not
at all
about sex. We believe otherwise. We think that sex is central
to every
single one of us and particularly queer youth."
Margot Abels, Julie Netherland and Michael Gaucher reviewed a
few
"campaigns" that have been used to demonstrate to queer youth
how to
best "be safe" while still enjoying homosexual sex.
The campaign, "Respect yourself, protect yourself," was
thought to be
good in getting the message to kids that they should use
protection, but
since it made children who didn't protect themselves feel bad,
it
ultimately was a poor message. Michael Gaucher pointed out
that children
"with an older partner that they are not feeling they can
discuss things
with, does that mean that they don't respect themselves?"
The campaign, "No sex, no problem," was ridiculed, as it
assumed that
children could opt not to have sex. Additionally, it made
those children
who had already had sex feel bad, or think they had a problem
since they
had had sex.
After reviewing a few of the campaigns, Margot Abels described
the
project she works on. The "Gay/Straight Alliance HIV Education
Project"
goes to five different schools each year conducting up to
eight "HIV
prevention sessions" in that school's gay club. These same
presenters
who just told a group of children how to properly position
their hands
for "fisting" were now telling a room full of educators that
they would
visit their schools and conduct their workshops for their
students.
Bringing homosexuality into the middle school
One participant remarked half-way through that Margot Abels
just wasn't
"talking to" her, since she, the participant, was a lesbian,
middle
school teacher. She wanted to know specifically what she could
do to
facilitate discussions about homosexuality in middle school.
This was
solved in another session entitled, "Struggles & Triumphs of
Including
Homosexuality in a Middle School Curriculum." Christine L.
Hoyle,
Special Education Teacher and workshop presenter, told the
story of how
she turned the holocaust portion of her curriculum into a gay
affirming
section. Ms. Hoyle allowed the group at the conference to
watch a video
which she had her students produce and which was narrated by a
seventh
grade girl. This girl told the audience that ancient Greeks
"encouraged
homosexuals; in fact, it was considered normal for an
adolescent boy to
have an older, wiser man as his lover." Thus, this teacher
informed her
adolescent students that it is okay if an older man approaches
them for
sexual gratification.
Finally, the handouts
An enormous amount of very disturbing material, most of it
aimed at
children, was distributed at the conference. Much of it
encourages young
children to become actively engaged in homosexual activities.
The Sidney
Borum Community Health Center table was giving out a cassette
sized
"pocket sex" kit, which included two condoms, two antiseptic
"moist"
towelettes, and six bandages, which were for "when the sex got
really
rough" according to the high school aged volunteer behind the
desk.
There was a countless supply of condoms supplied by both
Sidney Borum
and Planned Parenthood, all of which were for the taking by
any child
who wanted them. One could see children as young as 12 or 13
at the
conference participating and receiving "information" and
materials.
Some of the other workshops at this taxpayer-funded conference
for
educators are more unusual.
For instance:
Ask the Transsexuals
Early childhood educators: How to decide whether to come out
or not
Getting Gay Issues Included in Elementary School Staff
Development, Curriculum Development, and the PTA
Lesbian Avengers: How to Promote Queer Friendly Activism in
Your Schools
and in Your Lives
Strategies and Curriculum Ideas for Addressing GLBT Issues in
a High
School English Curriculum
The Struggles and Triumphs of Including Homosexuality in a
Middle School
Curriculum
Teachers Coming Out
Youth Coming Out in High School
Diesel Dykes and Lipstick Lesbians: Defining and Exploring
Butch/Femme
Identity
The Religious Wrong: Dealing Effectively with Opposition in
Your
Community
A Strategy to Educate Faculty: Lexington HS's GSA Presentation
to
Faculty
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