-Caveat Lector-
[There are some interesting Foster comments near the end of this
rticle. --MS]
"If he committed suicide, he didn't do it at Fort Marcy Park."
May 23, 2001, Wednesday
Cutting EDGE: Catching Killers in High-Profile Murder Cases
GUEST: Mark Fuhrman
BYLINE: Paula Zahn
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ZAHN: On the "Cutting EDGE" tonight: catching killers in high-profile
murder
cases. A man very familiar with the complexity of celebrity murder cases is
former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman, who has a new book out called "Murder
in
Spokane: Catching a Serial Killer." He joins us now in the studio.
Do you say "Spo-kane" or "Spo-kann"?
MARK FUHRMAN, AUTHOR, "MURDER IN SPOKANE": "Spo-kann."
ZAHN: Yeah. That's the way I say it. Welcome.
Before we get to your new book, let's talk a little bit about the Robert
Blake murder mystery. Do you think he murdered his wife?
FUHRMAN: I think he's the only suspect in this case. He certainly...
ZAHN: Why aren't police saying that?
FUHRMAN: Well, I don't think they would. I mean, even in the Simpson case,
there was nothing was said that first week. But I think everybody should
see
this, as a media or as the public, you know about what you knew the first
five days of the Simpson case is what we knew about the first five days of
the Blake case.
ZAHN: OK, what evidence do you have that -- that he did his wife in?
FUHRMAN: Well, I don't have any. I'm in Idaho. But...
ZAHN: Yeah, I know you are. But this is a pretty strong charge if you
actually think he killed his wife.
FUHRMAN: Well, I think that he's the only suspect because he's made himself
the only suspect. He has, really, an absurd story, an absurd story that
doesn't seem to be consistent. We have -- there's something that -- you
know, I have to imagine myself listening to his story with my partner
standing next to me. And we listen to this story, and the questions are
just
reeling off when I hear this story.
"So your wife was so threatened by and so just wracked with fear, she has
you go get a concealed weapons permit to protect her. And then you realize
you forget your gun, so you leave her a block from the restaurant, in a car
at night, with her window rolled down, and she's OK with that. And you walk
back to the restaurant to get your gun?" I find that absolutely absurd.
"She'd go with you. Why not drive the car around to the front of the
restaurant, double park. What are you parked a block away from a restaurant
that names a meal after you? Certainly, if there isn't valet parking,
they'd
make some concession for you on their property."
I mean, this is absurd. And then he goes to another house to
ZAHN: All right. And it has been confirmed that there was some sort of
residue found on his fingers.
FUHRMAN: Gunshot residue.
ZAHN: He said that, obviously, he had been firing a weapon, now that he had
had his concealed weapons permit, a couple days before.
FUHRMAN: It's very interesting that he admits that that nitrate -- and
that's what a gunshot residue tests is nitrates. And you can get that from
other things that you could come into contact with that would be very
innocent. But he's admitting he's shooting a gun, and I think that's --
that's a very -- that's a very interesting statement. And yet, where does
he
shoot? He says he shoots in his backyard. How do you prove that? It's not a
pistol range. It's not anyplace where you could verify it. So he's
established another ridiculous argument.
ZAHN: It has not been confirmed, but highly speculated that LAPD found a
weapon in a garbage can not far from the murder scene. Apparently, the
serial number on the gun has been all but -- what, do you stamp it out? You
grill it...
FUHRMAN: Obliterated.
ZAHN: Yeah, obliterated.
FUHRMAN: Ground off. It's interesting that amateurs or people that don't
understand that a lot times those numbers are stamped. And if you can --
I'm
no scientist and -- I'm no forensic scientist, but I've had this explained
many times. They stamp those numbers. And when you stamp the numbers, the
molecules in the metal is driven down. So when you grind them off, they can
still use an acid to bring those numbers up because they have still made an
indentation in the metal, even though it's not visible. So the number will
probably be brought up.
ZAHN: All right, on to my interview with O.J. Simpson several months ago,
where he said he is convinced that someday the LAPD will track down the
killers.
FUHRMAN: I think he's absolutely right.
ZAHN: Of his wife...
FUHRMAN: We already did. For once, he's right, so...
ZAHN: Here's what he said. Let's listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - July 25, 2000)
Do you think the killer or killers of your wife and Ron Goldman will ever
be
found?
O.J. SIMPSON: I hope so. And I know it's killers because both of these
people were very conditioned athletes. Nicole had taken kick-boxing
classes.
And there is no way one guy could have gotten them the way they got them in
that area. In my case, you know, everybody knows I can't run. I can't do
anything. All they have to do is skip away, and there's no way I can grab
two healthy human beings like that and do the things that were done to
them.
So I know it was more than one. Not one person would have been able to
handle Nicole the way this person evidently did.
ZAHN: Your reaction?
FUHRMAN: Well, it' silly. O.J. Simpson has no grasp of the evidence because
he can't address the evidence because it would be an indictment of himself.
They weren't killed at the same time. You have a woman that's -- he's been
battering around for years, and you have a man that didn't even know he was
going to be attacked that is much smaller and never been in a real
fistfight
in his life. I disagree completely. A man much smaller than Simpson and
much
more debilitated in surprise could take both people at different times.
It's
silly.
ZAHN: Let's move on to your latest book, "Murder in Spokane." The Spokane
Sheriff's Department is not too happy with your latest book. They say,
We're
proud of the fact that we caught our killer, and Mark Fuhrman didn't. And
we
don't want to help sell his book."
Now, your charge is that they could have gotten to this killer long before
they arrested this guy.
FUHRMAN: Yeah. Well, it's absolute. They actually admit the very facts that
lead to that conclusion. It's not a -- it's not a very difficult
conclusion.
When you have all the clues that you used in 1999 and the year 2000 to
identify and track him, arrest him, and do search warrants, and you use all
the evidence available to you in September of '97. They admit it
themselves.
ZAHN: So I understand your next book may be on the suicide of Vince Foster?
FUHRMAN: No...
ZAHN: Have you started to work on that, or not?
FUHRMAN: I've been researching and working on that in my spare time for
almost three years now. Vince Foster will come. Not now.
ZAHN: Do you think he was murdered?
FUHRMAN: It's interesting you say that. If he committed suicide, he didn't
do at Fort Marcy Park. If they want it to be a suicide, the people that
brought him there and staged the scene are going to have to come forward
and
state where he was and how he committed suicide. That's never going to
happen. So it will be a murder -- it will be a suspicious murder for all
time now. There's no other way to think about it. He didn't kill himself
there. The evidence was not there for a man that shot himself through the
mouth, that went out the back of his skull. There is no bone fragments, no
skull, you know, piece of his skull, scalp. There was no blood spatter
anywhere behind his head. There was an elevated area right behind his head.
It would have been very evident -- a warm summer day, clear, no moisture.
It's ridiculous what they want us to believe at Fort Marcy Park.
ZAHN: Of course, the investigators on the case absolutely maintain to this
day it was a suicide. Mark Fuhrman, we'll have to bring you back when you
finish yet another book.
It'll be done before three years, won't it?
FUHRMAN: Yeah. But I think I may do a death penalty book in between. I'm
very fascinated with what's going on. How can we scrutinize these death
penalties to the nth degree, more than any other case, and then we have
people getting out of jail that are innocent. I don't understand that.
ZAHN: All right. Thank you so much...
FUHRMAN: Thank you, Paula.
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