-Caveat Lector-

"M. A. Johnson" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Nessie Chants
>    Capitalism and free markets are inherently contradictory.
>    Capitalism can't exist in a free market because capitalism
>    requires the state. Without the armed might of the state to
>    protect them, corporations can't exist.
> flw
>     Most statists don't understand that there is a big difference
>      between capitalism (essentially State Corporatism) and the
>      free market.

The is no such thing as the " Free Market." If there is, I'd like
you to show it to me. If you can't show it to me, then you are no
different from other superstitionists who claim there is a heaven and Hell.

> MJ
> You apparently fail to grasp the difference between PRIVATE and
> GOVERNMENT. Only when one REDEFINES capitalism does one
> create the link with the State. One can have OTHER economic
> systems AND maintain a 'free market' (as limited as it might
> be), but a free market is REQUIRED for capitalism.

Johnson is completely whacky. He doesn't even live on this planet.
I wonder if he believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well?

>
> flw
>    The very concept of "limited legal liability" and the legal fiction
>     granted corporations that they are "citizens" and entitled to
>     Bill of Rights protection contradict the concept of free markets.
>     These are essentially statist concepts which are anathema to
>     any concept of free markets.

What BOTH you guys are dismissing, is that all this grew out of Capitalism,
and now you claim that it's not Capitalism. But of course it is. Because
the essentials have not changed. Private ownership of the means of production,
and the coersion of the State to protect private property ( the Rich ).

> MJ
> Yes.  Corporations are a creation of Government -- having NOTHING
> to do with capitalism.

See. This guy is insane.

> flw
>    Regulatory Agencies and corporations go hand in hand.
>    The FDA; SEC; FDA; etc. etc. are all beloved by corporations
>    since they are manipulated by the incestuous Corporate State.

This is true for Capitalism or other forms of economies where society
is organized as a powerful state.

> MJ
> Pull-Peddling Politicians seek tribute from the MANY factions
> willing to pay them.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> There is simply no other choice than this: either
> abstain from interference in the free play of the
> market, or to delegate the entire management of
> production and distribution to the government.
> Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no
> middle way.  �Ludwig von Mises

More bullshit from Ludwig. There is no reason that it has to be either or.
Both have failed miserably. The Commies are dead. Now it's the turn of
Capitalism.

Enjoy it while it lasts boys. Capitalism is now bumping up against Nature.
Nature NEVER, NEVER loses.

Joshua2

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