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Christopher Simpson
Author, Professor
American University,
Washington, D.C.

Can you give us a more elaborate description of how the war on drugs is a
form of psychological warfare.


The war on drugs is a form of psychological warfare on several different
levels. The most basic level is as communication - the propaganda coming out
of the White House, out of the television sets and so forth concerning drugs
and not just concerning drugs but concerning particular policies about drugs
and how things are supposed to be.


So you have that sort of communication side of it.


Meanwhile you have an extremely violent side of it and the violence comes
down in terms of the arrest and prison policies� Hundreds of thousands of
people now are in prison in the United States and going to prison is a very
violent experience� there's no way to get around it. Meanwhile there are
other types of violence involved. There's basically a war - a civil war going
on in Columbia today that's being underwritten by the US government. Right
now when we're having this interview, the president of the US has just signed
a law that says it doesn�t matter that the Colombian government is
systematically murdering peasants and committing very serious human rights
abuses - even by the American's own standards. We're going to give them
almost two billion dollars worth of helicopters and new guns and so forth, so
that they can pursue their particular faction's interest. For my two cents
worth, the way I look at what's going on in South America as far as drugs are
concerned is it�s a factional struggles over who is going to control this
extremely lucrative trade.


Is there a covert American militaristic strategy to control certain drug flow
into this country?


The CIA's operational directorate, in other words that�s their covert
operations, para-military, dirty tricks - call it whatever you want - has for
at least 40 years that we can document paid for a significant amount of its
work through the sales of heroin and cocaine. It happened in Vietnam, it
happened in Afghanistan, it happened in Pakistan, the wars with the Russians,
it happens in South America, it happens in Columbia and so forth. In the Iran
Contra affair, drug money has been integral to CIA covert operations
practically from the beginning of this Agency.


With the war on drugs - we have quotes from US judges who say that the drug
laws which put a person carrying a gram of crack cocaine in prison for life
is a racist policy - is there an inherently racist element to the cocaine
laws? And what is the nature of a government that on one hand legislates its
people very harshly for drugs and yet, another arm of it has its own
importation strategies?


Is there an inherently racist aspect of the cocaine policies in the United
States? Well, duh! It's obvious that it's inherently racist. The drug of
choice for inner city youth and for people who have less money to spend on
drugs carries mandatory sentences. The drug of choice for the Hollywood types
and the Washington types and the NY stockbrokers - you can skate on it if you
have enough money to buy a good lawyer. So clearly there's a racial element
there.


Are we being governed by people who are coming out of crime ridden networks?
Is there a cultureof lawlessness at the level of governance?


That�s a very complicated question because it depends on what you mean by
crime. One of the aspects of power and when an elite holds power is that they
legalize what they do. So if you ask is Bill Clinton a product of a crime
network, I would say probably not - because much of what Bill Clinton did,
with the exception of some relative technicalities, had been legalized! And
you see thisboth on the national level and you see it on an international
level.


When you look at Iran Contra and that whole escapade and George Bush coming
to the White House, was there a time when a certain group of people, or at
least in George Bush's case, came to power? Was there a coup from the
intelligence community� where there was once a political forum there - was
there a change of power, or a paradigm shift?


I really don�t buy a coup by the intelligence community in the sense that
some people put it forward. I think the intelligence community is very
influential in American politics both because it has the president's ear on
important issues, and because it quite systematically pursues its own
interests in terms of lobbying Congress, lobbying the media and so on. George
Bush was particularly attuned to the intelligence community and its view of
the world and so on. But for the most part, the CIA is the tool of the White
House and not the other way around, at least in my opinion.


Are there groups that would benefit from a society addicted to heroin or a
generation of kids who do a lot of drugs?


Yeah, I think so. I think that one of the characteristics of so-called
globalization, one of the characteristics of capitalism's consumer-style
capitalism in this present stage is a large so-called surplus population of
people who don�t buy enough stuff because they don�t have the money to do it
because they don�t have the jobs. So it�s a problem for the government as to
what to do with these people. In terms of sheer numbers, most of them are
so-called white people, but in terms of percentage of population, there's a
large percentage of minorities. What is being done with these people? Well
what's being done with a lot of them is they are being put in jail. And it's
reached a point now where building jails is a growth industry that is almost
moving as quickly as building computers is, for heaven's sakes. And they
can't build the jails fast enough. So now the next step is different forms of
monitoring devices. You know, you get a strap and there's a device that gets
attached to your leg and the courts can monitor you and this is a substitute
for prison. And the next step beyond that at least as I see things, is
self-imposed prison.


If you go back and you study Joseph Goebel's work on propaganda during the
1930s, during the Hitler years, Goebels was the propaganda chief for Adolf
Hitler and the Nazis. Vicious anti-Semite. Mass murderer. And a very clever
SOB. And one of the things that he figured out was that the most effective
means of repression is repression that a person puts on himself or herself.
That even in a country like Nazi Germany - even in the country with that
level of brutality and hatred and violence - that all of the SS men could not
keep ordinary German people down unless ordinary German people took in this
ideology of Nazism and believed it themselves. So Goebels worked out some
ways to encourage this happening. That, I think, was not unique to Nazi
Germany. I think that human beings do that in a lot of different
circumstances and I think they do it in today's circumstance. I don't think
that the United States today is the same as Nazi Germany. Thereare not gas
chambers today - or not gas chambers in the sense that were used for mass
murder in the Nazi sense. But let me give you an example of how we
internalize our own repression and that's cell phones.


I have a cell phone. As a matter of fact, I wish I had brought it - I would
have shown it to you. And occasionally I get business cards from people and
they say the name of the guy or woman and their address and telephone and all
this stuff and they'll say - there'll be a number and it'll say cell. You
know? I mean it's like their cell number - it's like a cell in a prison.


It's because here's this device that follows you absolutely wherever you go,
where you are on call absolutely 24 hours a day. And with really even the
most minor technological adjustments that are in fact underway now, you can
be tracked 24 hours a day on the basis of your cell phone. You get people who
voluntarily get one of these darn things and they'll pay to be put in a cell
and to be followed around and tracked like this! And it's logical to them.
And in a certain weird sense, it's even in their interest to do it. It's
because it can be used in ambitious ways to advance a person's career and
that sort of thing. But this is how the internalization of the world-view
works. It's how we come to believe that our repression is actually a benefit
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