-Caveat Lector-
vietnam was an evil war, and we shouldnt have been there.
more to the point, what does this have to do with bill being a rhodes
scholar or not?
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Doubt thyself.
Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.
Doubt all.
Doubt even if thou doubtest all.
It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt
there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the
snake!
The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted
Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind,
until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds!
Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay!
Then, wind the Mort!
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> From: Aleisha Saba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:06:34 -0400
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out......Did News Media Report
> on it
>
> For the individual who wanted to know why Clinton is not a true Rhodes
> Scholar the following shoud provide some enlightenment.
>
> This Congressman had Clinton's number long ago, and this was read into
> the record.
>
> How to take over a country? First you set aside certain individuals as
> the "chosen ones" to assist in the take over for the goal first, is get
> the money from the Treasury and to date, see how same was managed and it
> started in 1913.....today congress protects their pensions, but these
> pigs behind the scenario leave nothing for Social Security do
> they.....no they want this money for "investment" purposes.
>
> Keep in mind Clinton's offer of a job which would pay him $8,000,000,000
> a year as "investment counselor" but of course, in what the natural
> reserves in this country - will he be on Soros and Rich who is just a
> front man for the mob, on his payroll for this is Rich's specialty from
> attempting to destroy labor unions to well, the charge against him was
> engaging in organized crime an racketeering, and aiding and abetting the
> enemy was it? And what about that "burlap" bag business his father got
> his start and made big bucks in Korea.
>
> Strange this pilot I knew fighting in the Viet Nam War - this man in
> Columbus, oh so rich with connections - wanted him to do a big of
> smuggling and the source why it was KOREA. Well this bastard, Macy
> Bloch, who still thrives never touched by the law like his little front
> man who had such respectable background - this creep found that one
> honest man for whih Diogenese looked at high noon in bright son....but
> the police never touched, old Macy.
>
> So lots of body bags lying around and this story where Clinton seems to
> have had the immunity to get away with murder - and sodomy and rape
> which evidently is of little consequence that such a man should be in
> our Oval Office with a prostitute - someday they might give Monica a
> medal for letting this man expose himself for what he was from the
> beginning....a liar, rapist, sodomist, with long body bag count.
>
> Saba
>
>
>
> A TRULY TRAGIC DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY
> Congressman Robert K. Dornan (R-CA)
> U.S. House of Representatives July 10, 1995
>
>
> Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow may be a truly tragic day in
> American history, because a person who avoided serving his
> country three times during the bloodiest subaction of the whole cold
> war, the conflict that raged on for a decade in Indochina, a person who
> avoided the draft when he graduated from Georgetown, speaking about
> Mr. Clinton, who avoided service in his first year as a graduate student
> at Oxford, when all graduate deferments were taken away and then
> who, after he actually had a call-up notice, a report date to join the
> U.S. Army as a buck private soldier and an induction date of 29,
> excuse me, 28 July 1969, used political pressure, the liberal Republican
> Governor's office in Arkansas, Winthrop Rockefeller, with the draft
> board, the head of the draft board, and two or three members of the
> draft board, personal meetings, 2 hours each, to beg them to allow him
> to join after the fact the ROTC at the University of Arkansas; then
> he had a U.S. Senator, Senator Fulbright of Arkansas, phone in to the
> head of the ROTC.
>
> And then I learned at a dinner with the distinguished American,
> Distinguished Service Cross holder of the second medal down from the
> Medal of Honor, who had commanded ROTC units, whole sections of the
> country, commanded ROTC for many colleges, Col. Eugene Holmes, a
> Bataan death march survivor, he told me when I had dinner with
> him and his wife, Irene, down in Fayetteville, AR, last February, that
> Clinton was the only student in more than a decade, as a commander
> and professor of military science, the only student who ever showed up
> at his house.
>
> He said he did not let him in, but for 2 hours in the front yard,
> backyard, back and fourth 23-year-old Bill Clinton begged Colonel Holmes
> to let him into the ROTC as a 2-year postgraduate student if he
> entered law school to go back on a special 2-year crash course with
> the undergraduates at the University of Arkansas and get in the ROTC so
> he could avoid the draft, and Colonel Holmes told me, against his
> better judgment, with more political pressure than he had ever
> thought possible, Senators, Governors, draft board members, Buick
> dealerships, all putting the pressure on him, he signed up a man who
> graduated from college over 1 year and 2 months before into the
> special program and, of course, Clinton never spent a day in the ROTC
> at Arkansas.
>
> But now here he is, the Commander in Chief, and if all the
> stories are true, tomorrow at noon he is going to normalize
> relations, give diplomatic recognition honors and recognition to the
> war criminals, the Communist leaders, in Hanoi who killed better men
> than he, probably three high school students from the Hot Springs area
> of Arkansas went into the service to meet those three draft calls in
> June 1968, the spring of 1969, and then that summer of 1969 when
> someone had to fill the Clinton slot, late July 1969, and then Clinton
> went off to Moscow a few weeks later.
>
> Colonel Holmes had not even known this. He went through Oslo,
> Stockholm, Helsinki, Leningrad, took the train overnight to Moscow
> and was put up, when he claimed he had no money, at the best hotel
> in town on January 1, 1970, because there was so- called peace
> banquet for Hanoi in the National Hotel on the night of January 2, 1970.
>
> A former Member of the other body who had a rather distinguished career
> for 12 years, he was in his last year, had chosen not to run again, who
> did, I think, a very dishonorable thing. Senator Eugene McCarthy was a
> guest of honor at the peace banquet. He was one of the 23-year-old
> student organizers from England who had conducted teach-ins at the
> London School of Economics, where he called Ho Chi Minh the George
> Washington of his country and the United States the interventionist
> imperialist power, the evil force in Vietnam, suppressing a revolution,
> and had, of course, led demonstrations at Grosvenor Square on
> November 15 and a warm-up on October 15, 1969.
>
> By the way, Mr. Speaker, that November 15 demonstrates that
> Clinton was the leader of, in London, was termed the fall
> offensive by the Communists in Hanoi. There were sympathetic
> demonstrations in Paris, in Stockholm, London, New York, of
> course, here in Washington, DC, people trashing the streets, Miami,
> I believe, I know for sure San Francisco, Chicago, and Los Angeles, all
> coordinated by people working to give comfort to the communists in Hanoi
> who prevailed after 10 long years of struggle against a superpower, the
> United States, and the superpower on the other side, the Soviet
> Union, had more staying power, and the oppressive forces of communism
> won.
>
> Two years after we had pulled out of our military effort, we left so
> precipitously in such a disgraceful way that our embassy had open file
> drawers with the files of all the people who had worked with us up
> and down that beautiful little country of South Vietnam, and the
> Vietnamese years later wrote, General Giap, wrote in his book,
> that they just came in picked up papers off the floor, from the file
> cabinets, put them on clipboards, went out and executed 68,000
> people. General Giap, who was hugging Senator Harkin on July 4, General
> Giap is a war criminal. General Giap was on the politburo.
>
> General Giap signed off on the execution of 68,000 people. In some
> cases, their only crime was to be a secretary, a man or a woman typing
> on an American typewriter at one of our multiple military bases up
> and down from the DMZ to the Mekong Delta.
>
> Unbelievable. Sixty-eight thousand people killed, but even that
> horrendous figure, 10,000 more than our men and 8 women whose names
> are on the Vietnam Memorial, that figure is dwarfed by the 700,000 to
> 800,000 people who drowned on the South China Sea trying to escape
> from communism.
>
> My oldest daughter worked in the camps at Snap Nikam, Nam Aret, Aryana
> Pretit, and the people that survived the high seas, the South China
> Sea, the sharks, dehydration, drownings, they would carve little
> plaques. I have two of them in my den at home.
>
> It says, `liberty or death on the high seas.� Sounds like Patrick
> Henry, somebody they never heard of. Another one said, `Some of us are
> here in the camps. The rest are with God.'
> Then what about the 1 million, 2 million, or as one of my
> interns, Vuth, told me the other night, tears running down his face,
>
> `Maybe 3 million of my people died, Congressman. And is Mr. Clinton
> going to normalize relations with the war criminals who did this?' He
> was speaking of the killing fields of Cambodia.
>
> What a horror that took place. Very few speeches, if any, in this well
> or on the Senate floor by those who are taking the lead now with
> normalization with the war criminals in Hanoi; I did NBC's `Meet the
> Press� yesterday, and a friend of mine who is on the other side of
> this issue, and to try and put this balance, I read the stories of
> his horrendous torture in this book, `POW,� the definitive book that
> came out in 1976, the month that I won my first election to Congress,
> November of 1976. This book came out, and the torture stories in here,
> the war crimes in here just stagger your imagination.
> It is medieval. It is Nazi Germany at Auschwitz. It is poor Bosnia a few
> years ago with the ethnic cleansing. It is just horrible.
>
> And I read the story of how this now U.S. Senator was tortured, how
> he would not accept parole, how when his father was moved from being
> the commander of the Navy in NATO in Europe to being commander in
> chief of all of our Pacific forces, and the head, the combat commander,
> of the bombing operation, how they kept offering this young Navy
> attack pilot early release to go home to get his terrible wounds taken
> care of, and it gave me renewed respect for him.
>
> But I am still boggled at his appearance on `Meet the Press�
> where, if I had had the time, I could have refuted every single
> solitary thing he said.
>
> The Vietnamese have not given a full accounting of our missing-
> in-action. Last year the byword with those who are sympathetic to the
> Communist war criminals in Hanoi, the byword was that they were
> giving us unprecedented cooperation. That simply was not so.
>
> Last year and early this year the word was superb cooperation. My friend
> from the other body said it was substantial. It is not. He said that on
> `Meet the Press� yesterday.
>
> And the Washington Post a week ago today ran an editorial so that a
> congressional delegation of all liberals without a single
> Republican Member or staffer on this minority trip, at taxpayer
> expense with one of the luxurious airplanes out of the 89th
> Squadron at Andrews; it has become a disgrace, Air Force officers
> carrying the bags of people who avoided service and the cost when there
> are commercial flights available to go to even Hanoi, and we will
> have legislation on that this year, I can promise the taxpayers that,
> this delegation in Hanoi, one of the Senators holds up last
> Monday's Washington Post with a kind of a coordinated editorial,
> and it said, how is this for reaching for words, `prodigious
> diligence, prodigious diligence, in moving toward an accounting of our
> missing-in-action.'
>
> What an absolute distortion of the truth.
> Now, I have before me a letter that our Speaker,
>
> Mr. Gingrich, is presenting to the Commander in Chief as we speak,
> Mr. Speaker. They are having dinner tonight, Newt Gingrich and William
> Jefferson Blythe Clinton, and Newt is going to tell him it is going
> to be a rough road in this Congress, in this House, and in the U.S.
> Senate, to try and find the money under our foreign affairs bills to
> fund any normalization or set up an embassy in Hanoi.
>
> I think this House is going to overwhelmingly vote to kill any money
> under the appropriations bills process. We all know the language, Mr.
> Speaker, `No money under this bill shall be expended to do
> such and such.' A negative amendment is always ruled in order, and I
> think the President is in for a big surprise.
>
> Mr. Clinton is in for a surprise, because the statistics that I
> gave on `Meet the Press� that my friend from the Senate said he did
> not buy are absolutely correct.
>
> I said, first of all, the families who have suffered long over these
> years, they have suffered under an anti-Geneva Convention
> war crime where the communist victors in Hanoi have
> psychologically tortured the family members, the children who have
> grown from little toddlers and babies up into their late 20's,
> 30's, and some in their 40's, the teenagers, the parents who are now
> aging into their 70's and some into their 80's, many of them passing
> on to go to
> Heaven, the widows, some who have married and have never forgotten that
> first young hero of their early life, others who have never ever
> found a replacement for their heroic young knight of the sky or that
> handsome young special operations sergeant special forces, young
> enlisted man, young grunt, young marine up and down Vietnam
> fighting for freedom, fighting to contain communism, they have never
> found a match for that young hero of their early life. All of
> these people have been manipulated, because the communists in Hanoi
> have slowly, like an ugly time capsule, released boxes of our
> heroes' remains.
>
> Now, I can remember in 1979 having before our International
> Relations Committee a mortician from Vietnam who passed multiple
> polygraph lie detector tests; I recommended he even take truth serum.
> He was willing to do that. I do not know if he did. He was of Chinese
> heritage because Vietnam, after the war, in a vicious human rights
> crusade of violence, threw out all of the Vietnamese of Chinese
> heritage, and that is why he, as a top doctor, a mortician, was
> thrown out of the country, but he had prepared for storage in a big
> warehouse near Hanoi over 400 sets of American remains.
>
> This has been admitted to me by the highest people in the Reagan
> administration and by President Reagan himself, who believed this,
> that they had 400 boxes of our heroes' remains. President Bush
> believed this. I discussed it at length with him. I have discussed it
> with three directors of the CIA. They all believed it.
>
> Defense Intelligence, back to the late Eugene Tye, my good friend from
> Loyola University, he also believed it. I have never met anybody in
> the entire intelligence community, and I am on my seventh year in the
> Intelligence Select Committee, I have never met anybody who did not
> believe this mortician's story.
>
> And at the central investigative laboratory at Hickam Air Force Base
> in Hawaii, which I have visited about eight times over the years, they
> said, Yes, we have gotten back selectively over the
> last 10 years, about 160 remains that we can tell were
> warehoused, even if they were dug up out of the ground a year or two
> after a crash, they were still processed.
>
> Some of these were people who obviously died in captivity. The light
> color of the bones and their condition and the chemical substances on
> the bones, we know they were prepared for storage. And 160 from over
> 400 brings us roughly a number of over 260.
>
> I said at a press conference on the grassy triangle in front of this
> Capitol that it is an act of treachery to normalize relations
> without demanding the 260 remaining boxes of remains. I predicted that
> they will be thrown into the Red River and flushed out into the Tonkin
> Gulf, or worse, thrown in a pit all of these heroes' bones, knights
> of the sky, these young aviators, these special forces officers and
> sergeants. Their bones will be thrown in a mass grave, covered with
> lime, lye, and they will be forgotten, except to God, in that mass
> atrocity grave.
>
> If are there any Americans still alive, particularly in Laos, which
> I have visited four times. I have been to Vietnam 10 times and Cambodia
> three times. I have worked this issue for 30 years and 1 month
> since my best friend, David Herdlicher, was shot down, May 18, 1965.
>
> And I still wear his bracelet and this No. 1 Hmoung bracelet, H-
> m-o-u-n-g, the French word was Montagnard, mountain people. Since I put
> that on in Kontum in the central highlands in September 1968, it
> has never been off my wrist since. I alternate POW bracelets. No,
> this is not David Herdlicher's; this is a young sergeant from Hope,
> AR. I wear that symbolically sometimes, James Holt, missing in South
> Vietnam, September, excuse me, February 7, 1968, the beginning of the
> Tet offensive.
>
> The first week of the Tet offensive, that week, we lost 1,111
> Americans killed in action.
>
> That was the month that Robert Strange McNamara quit on leap year
> day, so he would only have to remember it every 4 years; resigned 29,
> February 1968.
>
> It rained all over this big ceremony on the lawn in front of the river
> entrance to the Pentagon.
>
> They canceled the fly-by. How fitting that God saved four Air Force
> pilots the ignominy of flying by, probably all of them Vietnam vets,
> in tribute to a man who had betrayed the fighting men on the field.
>
> Well, here is McNamara's book, Mr. Speaker.
>
> That is how I spent part of my district work period; working my
> way through this tragic book of evil revelations on how McNamara
> never even believed in the cause in 1962 or 1963, when there were less
> than 50 Americans killed in action. Not 58,000; less than 50. He did
> not believe in what we were doing there.
>
> And McNamara tells in this book what he did after that fly-by was
> canceled and it rained all over this retirement ceremony. Where LBJ
> rewarded him with 13 years as head of the World Bank, where he made
> $250,000 a year without ever paying a nickel of taxes on it. That is
> what a lot of U.N. jobs, and the job at World Bank, pays.
>
> McNamara in his book says the next day, on March 1, he left for a month
> of skiing at Aspen.
> We had hundreds of people in prison in Hanoi. Twelve of them had been
> beaten to death inside their prison cells. One man, Maj. Earl
> Cobeal, beaten senseless and incoherent. Never got his sanity back and
> died alone in some cell without any other American there to hold him
> and nurture him as he died. We have gotten back his remains.
>
> While he was being tortured by three Cubans imported by the good
> graces of Castro to teach the Vietnamese how to torture with more
> severity the way Castro was cutting up people and letting them rot,
> stark naked, in black cells without a shred of light for up to 25 years.
>
> He was showing the South Vietnamese that they had forgotten in the
> Orient what the `death of a thousand knives� was like, I guess.
>
> And McNamara was skiing.
>
>
> Imagine how many young men and women we had in hospitals from one end of
> Vietnam to another, after the horror of that Tet offensive named after a
> religious holiday that they decided to attack on, imagine how many
> triple amputees, quadruple amputees. I visited one quadruple amputee at
> a hospital in September of that year and I talked to some of the nurses
> that said these are the cases that would just tear your heart out. How
> many people had given their arms and legs during that Tet offensive?
>
> I remember going in the big refrigerated morgue at Bien Hoa in that
> year, 1968. And I said to this young corporal, first asking him how he
> could work in a
> place like this, and he said, `Mr. Reporter, I spent six months in
> the bush shooting at Charlie and getting shot at. And when they
> offered me a chance at the midpoint to work in this morgue, I took it
> because I know I am going home. And I cry a lot in here looking at all
> these men, many younger than I, who are on the way back to the United
> States in green body bags.'
>
> And I said, `What is in that huge bag over there?� He said,
> `That, sir, that bag is all the arms and legs cut off our men in the
> hospitals around here and we treat it with respect. We are going to
> take it out in a helicopter and bury their arms and legs at sea soon.'
>
> I will never forget that story. Tears were running down my face in
> this cool, refrigerated little corner of Bien Hoa Air Base in an
> extremely hot summer day in 1986. Thinking about this particular
> corner of the world's struggle against communism. Again, to quote
> Kennedy, a `twilight struggle� It was not so much twilight in Korea
> and Vietnam.
>
> And I would like to read a line, Mr. Speaker, from McNamara's book.
> It used an expression that I used on this House floor on the day after
> the State of the Union speech.
>
> And I said I would revisit this again and again and that if I ever got
> a ruling from the Chair again that aid and comfort to the enemy was
> not a legitimate historical expression for debate on this floor, that I
> would appeal the ruling of the Chair. And if my party voted
> against me and did not sustain me, I would resign from Congress on the
> spot.
>
>
>
> It is not tonight. That day is coming earlier in the day. And I will
> find the right moment. I will know it. I will smell it when it comes.
> And I will do it in the well with plenty of Democrats and I will give
> Mr. Fazio and Mr. Volkmer, and a lot of my other colleagues, a big
> chance to take down my words again.
>
> But those words, `aid and comfort to the enemy,� have popped up
> twice just in the last couple of weeks. Mr. Clinton used the words
> against people who want to vote out the assault weapon ban. He said
> that is giving aid and comfort to the criminals in the street, the
> enemy in the streets, to vote against the assault ban.
>
> So Mr. Clinton has given aid and comfort to the enemy in his head. He
> knows what that expression means.
>
> Here is what McNamara writes on page 105 of his book. Fitting number
> of the page, since we lost more F-105s than any other airplane in
> the Vietnam conflict.
>
> By the way, to set the scene, let me take out my little U.S.
> Constitution and read where this line comes from. Article III,
> section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, and why treason is not
> applicable without a declaration of war to using this term.
>
> Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war
> against them.
>
> Remember, until the Civil War, we always referred to ourselves as
> individual States. The Civil War brought us together into one unit as a
> country.
>
> In levying war against the individual States, or in adhering to their
> enemies, and our Founders and Framers of the Constitution capitalized
> Enemies. Giving them Aid, capital A, and Comfort, capital C. Giving
> them Aid and Comfort.
>
> No person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of
> two witnesses to the same overt act or on confession in open court.
>
> Now, that is where that term, aid and comfort to the enemy, comes from.
> That is where Clinton, although he did not realize it, got it when he
> referred to people who strictly interpret the second amendment as
> giving aid and comfort to the enemies in the streets, the
> criminals.
>
> Here is Mr. McNamara in this profoundly evil, self-aggrandizing,
> nonatoning book; over 58,700 dead Americans, 8 of them women.
> McNamara says, `Upon my return to Washington, DC, on December 21st,'
> and he is talking now about 1963, just a month after, one day less than
> a month after Kennedy's horrible assassination. He talks about secret
> missions up to the North.
>
> And this is courageous South Vietnamese who were captured,
> tortured to death, because it was poorly organized and planned. It
> was endorsed by what we call the 303 Committee under Ambassador
> Lodge, an interagency group charged with reviewing such top secret
> plans, following recommendations from Secretary of State; from
> McCone, head of the CIA; from George McBundy, National Security
> Advisor; and me, Robert McNamara, the President approved a 4-month
> trial program beginning on February 3, 1964, so it hadn't started yet.
> Its goal was to convince the North Vietnamese that it was in
> their self-interest to desist from aggression in South Vietnam.
>
> Looking back, it was an absurdly ambitious objective. For such a
> trifling effort, it accomplished virtually nothing.
>
> McNamara probably went skiing or mountain climbing that winter and
> here were young Vietnamese that we trained, sent north, bailed out
> of our secret, unmarked airplanes into North Vietnam, most of them
> compromised and captured and viciously tortured to death, and we wrote
> them off like they were just expendable pawns at the beginning of this
> conflict.
>
> But here he is, before these men have bailed out to their certain
> death, none of them ever came back as prisoners, these
> Vietnamese. `Upon my return to Washington, DC on December 21st, 1963,
> I was less than candid when I reported to the press. Perhaps a
> senior government official,' McNamara goes on, `could hardly have been
> more straightforward in the midst of a war.'
>
> Here he is calling it, in 1963, a month after Kennedy is dead, a war.
> A full-blown war.
>
> And his heart is not in it, but it took him 5 more hears to resign.
> Incredible. Four and a half.
> I could not fail to recognize the effect discouraging remarks might
> have on those we strove to support the South Vietnamese. He does not
> give them the time of the day all through this book, our allies. Some
> corrupt; most very brave dying for their country. As well as those we
> sought to overcome. The Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese.
>
> Now, get this Mr. Speaker. Bob McNamara:
>
> `It is a profound, enduring and universal ethical and moral
> dilemma: How, in times of war and crisis, can senior government
> officials be completely frank to their own people without giving aid
> and comfort to the enemy?'
>
> So, Robert McNamara, in December of 1963, one month and 21 days after
> the tragic assassination of President Ziem and his brother, after they
> were sprayed with machine guns in the back of an American-supplied
> armored personal carrier, an M-13. A tragic, a beheading of a Nation
> under Communist assault from the north, he considers it a full war and
> talks about giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
>
> Well, if he did not want to give aid and comfort to the enemy, what
> about the demonstrators that he put up on the floor of his house,
> friends of his son, Craig, who never wore the uniform of his country.
> And he tries to weasel around that in here. This is McNamara who said,
> `We must not draft our college kids, because they are tomorrow.'
>
> Well, what about the college graduates from West Point,
> Annapolis, Air Force Academy, Texas A&M, North Georgia, Citadel, VMI?
> Or all of the ROTC units like mine at Loyola U. all around the
> country? What about those college graduates? What about the young farm
> kids who were going back to the family farm, but first were subject to a
> draft?
>
> What about the 100,000 young black men who had been denied a good
> education in all of the poor schools and ghetto areas around this
> country, where we lowered the school standard and the tests you had to
> pass to bring them in? What were they? Cannon fodder?
>
> What about all the Hispanic-American families, particularly in
> California, which had such a family tradition for generations of
> joining the Marine Corps? You know, all of our services used to
> reflect our religious background in our country. But the Marine Corps
> is about 33 percent Catholic, compared with a 24-percent population,
> because West Coast Hispanic families, generally Catholic, like the
> Marine Corps. What about all of them? Were they just cannon fodder?
>
> What about the honor graduates from West Point, the Naval Academy, and
> the Air Force Academy, who got a Rhodes Scholarship and went to what
> the skipper of the Kitty Hawk told me was the worst hate-America
> environment he had ever been in his life for 2 years, and he
> overlapped Clinton by a year at Oxford,
>
> ********
> except he went to class and graduated, while Clinton was ditching
> class, never went the second year at all, and did not graduate, 1 of
> only 6 in his class of 32 who did not graduate. **************
>
> What about all those people?
>
> Like the recent commander, that just made three stars, of the 1st
> Cavalry Division down at Fort Hood who graduated before Clinton got
> there, he was back in June of 1968 at Leavenworth, and then went to
> Vietnam and won two silver stars. Were they the best and the brightest,
> all of the aforementioned?
>
> What about all the Americans that went they got drafted said well,
> Uncle Sam wants me, it is an undeclared war, but my dad, my uncle, my
> older brother fought in Korea, and that was not a war, but a police
> action, according to President Truman, that was undeclared. But here
> is McNamara calling it a war. Aid and comfort to the enemy in
> time of war.
>
> Well, I have before me a letter, Mr. Speaker, from some of the
> greatest Americans that this country has ever had serve in
> uniform, our POW's in Hanoi. This is a group of leaders, the ones that
> were tortured the most, the ones that were tortured far more than others
> who have gone a different direction from them.
>
> This comes from the American Defense Institute, which is founded by
> Eugene Red McDaniel, acknowledged by all the POW's, I reread some of
> his periods of torture in here, and it is absolutely incredible
> that he survived, the tearing apart of his body, the infections, hardly
> a square inch of his body was not ripped. Red McDaniel founded this
> American Defense Institute, and here is a press release they put out
> with the names of 60 U.S. POW heroes on it.
>
> `Former U.S. POWs oppose normalization with Vietnam, Alexandria,
> Virginia. In a letter sent to President Clinton today, the 10th of
> July, 60 former U.S. POWs, including Congressman Sam Johnson,
> Republican, Texas,' Sam had hoped to be with me today, but he had a
> former engagement tonight.
>
> `Lieutenant General John Peter Flynn, U.S. Air Force, retired.' He
> was the highest ranking POW at the time he was shot down, senior U.S.
> colonel in the Air Force, and he rose to the highest ranks of
> any of the return POW's. Brig. Gen.
>
> Robinson Risner, one of my squadron commanders at George Air Force
> Base, shot down eight MiG's in Korea. When they got their hands on
> Robbie Risner, believe me, the torture he suffered was the torture
> of the damned. In his book, `The Darkness of The Night,' I do not
> think that is the exact title, but it is close, his story of torture
> is, again, just medieval, and Capt. Red McDaniel. Red was the
> communications officer for the escape of Larry Atterbury and
> John Dromisi. Dromisi was beaten for 38 days.
> He could not move for 3 months, had to be fed by hand. And Larry
> Atterbury, 6 foot 3, his size gave them away in their overnight escape,
> when the sun came up and they were trapped on the bank of the Red
> River. He was stripped naked, four Vietnamese soldiers stood on the arms
> and legs, all of this with the approval of the politboru that we
> are going to recognize tomorrow at a White House Rose Garden cemetery,
> and they beat him until there was no flesh on his body, from his hair
> to the soles of his feet. He died after 8 days of constant scourging
> with long fan belt whips. They actually were fan belts.
>
> These officers, and 57 others from the Vietnam War, expressed
> their opposition to establishing diplomatic relations with
> Vietnam. `Until you as commander-in-chief, Mr. Clinton, tell us Honoi
> is being fully forthcoming in accounting for our missing comrades.'
> The letter was sent by Captain McDaniel, President of the American
> Defense Institute on behalf of the former U.S. POW's from Vietnam,
> concerned with recent reports that a White House announcement of the
> move is imminent. They invited my colleague, Sonny Montgomery, two star
> reserve general, combatant from World War II and the 12th Armored
> Division. He just told me that he would not go to such a ceremony,
> an honorable man, Sonny Montgomery.
>
> `While we appreciate Vietnam�s support for U.S. crash site
> recovery,' no big deal, in letting us spend millions of dollars going
> out to crash sites that are 30 years old, `And archival research
> efforts,' pathetic, pathetic, entry level archival searches, the
> former POW stated, `We know firsthand Vietnam�s
> ability to withhold critical information while giving the
> appearance of cooperation.'
> Elsewhere in the letter the former POW's contend that Hanoi could do so
> much more to resolve many of the unresolved POW-MIA cases. I refer
> anybody watching on C-SPAN, Mr. Speaker, to the
> aforementioned 260-plus boxes of heroes' bones warehoused
> somewhere in the suburbs of Hanoi.
>
> `Some of our fellow servicemen went missing during the same
> incidents which we survived.' Two-seat F-4 Phantoms side-by- side,
> A-6 Intruders. `Some were captured and never heard from again.
>
> Some were known to have been held in captivity for several years and
> their ultimate fate has still not been satisfactorily resolved. Still
> others were known to have died in captivity,' 97 of them, Mr. Speaker,
> and we still have yet to get an accounting on, what did Senator Kerrey
> say on `Meet the Press� yesterday? He corrected me from 97 down to 89
> I believe. A fine point. `Yet their remains have not been
> repatriated to the United States.'
>
> The former POW's expressed their concerns that many of the
> `reports from U.S. and Russian intelligence sources maintain
> several hundred unidentified American POWs were held separately from
> us during the war in both Laos and Vietnam and were not released by
> Hanoi during Operation Homecoming in 1973.' Several hundred. I have
> never held out hope for more than 40, Mr. Speaker. But what do I
> know compared to these POW's?
>
> And called on Clinton to `Send a clear message to Hanoi that America
> expects full cooperation and disclosure on American POWs and MIAs
> before agreeing to establish diplomatic and special trading privileges
> with Vietnam.'
>
> Since February 2, 1994, Mr. Speaker, when we relaxed all the trade
> sanctions, we have gotten back exactly eight remains of Americans,
> and it cost us thousands of dollars to identify them, because the
> remains were mixed in with animal bones and several hundred Asian sets
> of remains. Just no care at all, sending us boxes of this, as
> though they were cooperating, when they have got this warehouse.
> Unbelievable. Eight.
>
> We averaged 21 a month under Reagan's 8 years, 24 remains a month under
> George Bush's 4 years, and now we are down to 8 since February 2
> a year ago under Clinton?
> And that is called prodigious diligence by the Post? Substantial by
> Senators Kerrey and McCain? And what did I say was the word
> last year, unprecedented, superb this year? Horrible.
>
> That was the press release. Here is the letter.
> It says, in closing, the press release brought out the biggest parts
> of the letter, and I will insert the whole letter into the Record, an
> open letter to President Clinton.
>
> The last paragraphs say,
>
> `America deserves straightforward
> answers if Vietnam really wants normalized diplomatic and
> economic relations. If Vietnam truly has nothing to hide on the
> POW-MIA issue, then why have they not released their wartime
> politburo and prison records on American POWs and MIAs? Why have they
> not fully disclosed other military records on the POWs and MIAs?'
>
> We have had senators go over there, I am sorry to say, Mr.
> Speaker, and not ask these direct questions. The politburo
> records are a key, as are the prison records. Now, they kept
> accurate records like the gestapo in World War II. And yet we have
> Members, elected to the U.S. Congress, that make excuses for them. `Oh,
> with the humidity over there, the records have all, you know, mildewed
> and they have been lost and they have been shuffled around.'
>
> We did not believe that when we brought German war criminals to trial
> and to execution. They were obsessive about keeping records. I
> have just seen declassified top secret records from 1968, the same
> year that McNamara is in the Caribbean vacationing and skiing at Aspen
> while these men are being tortured to death in Hanoi and beaten.
> That very year I saw a reference that we picked up through NSA
> listening, where they referred to our prisoners as `golden
> rubies.�
>
> I remember having a priest who was captured, a Vietnamese Catholic
> priest, tell me after he had escaped from the Ho Chi Minh Trail,
> being taken north, one of a handful that were lucky enough to escape,
> he said they kept referring to prisoners as `pearls,� as a string
> of pearls. That they watched our men when they would come down in a
> parachute, try to shoot it out and kill two or three villagers, and
> then take the man captive and not even beat him, just shoo the
> villagers off. There would be two or three dead people there.
>
> Ted Guy told me the other day how he killed two farmers coming at him
> with machetes and he was captured. He went through several beatings
> later and 4 years of solitary. But the soldiers were under orders,
> these pilots are worth their weight in gold. The survivors from the
> dozens that died in the slimy camps in the south, `march them
> north� they said in 1967 and 1968, because the POW's have taken on an
> absolutely supreme monetary value.
>
> That is why they still talk about Nixon's disgraceful offer of $3.25
> billion to get them to sign on the dotted line after the Paris peace
> accords and the 18 days of December B-52 raids, only to write off
> every prisoner in Laos. Remember, Mr. Speaker, 499 Americans missing in
> Laos, and not a single one ever came home.
>
> The last two paragraphs of the POW letter is, `We would only be
> compounding a national tragedy if we normalized relations with Hanoi
> before you as commander-in-chief can tell us Hanoi is being fully
> forthcoming in accounting for our missing comrades.'
>
> Compounding a national tragedy. If there are a million Americans, or
> more than that, watching tonight, Mr. Speaker, I want them to hear those
> words ringing in their heads tomorrow around noon eastern time, if
> we reward the war criminals and the war criminal JOP in Hanoi with
> the final insult, betraying 1.5 million Vietnamese casualties,
> half a million or more, 700,000 United States wounded, and those
> 58,747, roughly, names on the Vietnam Wall.
>
> `Perhaps more than any other group of Americans, we desire to put the
> war behind us, but it must be done in an honorable way.' And that
> sentence is underlined. It must be done in an honorable way.
>
> `We, therefore, ask you to send a clear message to Hanoi that
> America expects full cooperation and disclosure on American
> prisoners and missing in action before agreeing to establish
> diplomatic and special trading relations with Vietnam.'
>
> Sincerely, John Peter Flynn, Lieutenant General, Air Force,
> retired. Robbie Risner, I repeat, my squadron commander at my last
> base of assignment, Brigadier General. Our own courageous Gary
> Cooper here from Dallas, Sam Johnson, Member of Congress. Eugene Red
> McDaniel, John A. Alpers, Baugh, Speed, Baldock, Beeler, Boyer,
> Black, Brown, Carey, Burns, DiBernado, Lieutenant Colonel, Marine Corps,
> horribly tortured. Franke, Goodermote, Jensen. James Hickerson,
> Navy, married my good friend Carol Hansen, who lost her handsome
> young Marine Steve Hansen.
> [...]
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba)
> Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2001 2:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: A
>
> http://washington-weekly.com/jul17/A
>
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