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what a load of crap

given how Jews were treated in Russia, there is no surprise that many
Russian Jews go to Israel, even if it means they have to fight in a war.
People want to defend their new homeland, often more vociferously than
people who's families have been there longer. How many immigrants fought for
America in WW2? Many indeed.

>> But their faces were revealing. During their welcoming ceremony, rousing
>> Hebrew nationalist songs blared out of the loudspeakers. Roses and flags were
>> handed out. But the youngsters appeared subdued, some scowling, some
>>applauding half-heartedly.

Gee, you mean people who have just moved to a foreign land, leaving behind
all they knew before, to a new place, with a new language, show trepidation
and fear? uncertainty? preposterous - wouldn't you be all laughs and giggles
in this situation?
(for the sarcasm impaired - the above was a sarcastic remark)

If you moved to a new country, where you didn't speak the language, you
might show some uncertainty on your face.


>> At least half of this year's new arrivals are not Jewish under rabbinical
>> law;
>> a significant number have little meaningful cultural or religious connection
>> to � or any knowledge of � Judaism, the Jewish people or Israel.

Seeing as Judaism is persecuted in Russia, there has not been much of a
chance for these people to have a strong connection to Jewish culture. Since
there has been hostile relationship between Israel and Russia there is
little chance for them to have much knowledge of Israel.

the word "Jew" refers to a cultural affiliation, a tribal/ethnic membership
(like Italian or Slavic e.g.), as well as religion (like Christian, or
Hindu). 2 meanings- one word. It is possible to be defined as a Jew while
only possessing one of these definitions. I for example define myself by the
former, but not the latter. This is often confusing to people, and I wish we
had a different word for the religion and the culture, it would clear up
much misunderstanding. Now rabbinical law is thankfully not the same as
Israeli law, and there is a broader definition in use than the rabbinical
one.

> >It knows it needs foot soldiers for its eternal
>> demographic war against the Arabs within Israel � who form  a sixth of its
>> population of 6.4m �
not all Arabs are "the enemy." there are many non-violent Arabs who can have
a voice in a democratic Israel. yes its flawed. yes they are a persecuted
minority.

>> They watch with deep bitterness as
>> the Israelis annually admit tens of thousands of Russians under the so-called
>> Law of Return, which merely requires that new immigrants need have only
>> one Jewish grandparent. Many of these are � as Palestinians repeatedly
>> point out � no more Jewish than they are.

In that case these Palestinians are Jewish enough for the right of return to
apply to them, and they can became full fledged citizens, with all the
rights given the Russians, as well as responsibilities, like joining the
army.



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> 23 August 2001 05:42 GMT+1
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> Israel welcomes Russian footsoldiers in its demographic war
> By Phil Reeves
> 23 August 2001
> Clutching a single red rose and a small plastic Star of David flag, Polina
> Ferman, a 16-year-old Russian, stood on the sweltering airport tarmac
> yesterday and spelt our her ambitions as a new citizen of Israel.
> "I want a career, lots of money, a house, a husband, children and a Swiss
> bank account," she said with the business-like air of someone scanning a
> grocery list. A job in the computer business would be nice.
> Around her stood some 250 young people � all in their late teens and from
> Russia or the Ukraine � with whom she had just disembarked. They arrived
> at Ben Gurion airport as the sun slumped down towards the smog-draped
> horizon of nearby Tel Aviv. By sunset an hour later � after the welcoming
> speeches, the flag-waving and the paperwork � they had become Israelis.
> Immigrants from the former Soviet Union continue to flow into Israel,
> undeterred by Palestinian suicide bombers and drive-by assassins, or by the
> cruelty their adopted nation is using in its efforts to suppress the intifa
> da.
> This week is a record for the year so far: 1,225 immigrants will fly in, many
> of them � like yesterday's arrivals � young people brought in under a youth
> programme organised by the Jewish Agency as the latest injection in
> to the bloodstream of the 53-year-old Jewish state. By the end of this year,
> some 45,000 immigrants are expected, of whom four out of five will be from the
> former USSR.
> The rate is significantly lower than it was during the 1990s � a decade which
> saw 900,000 Soviets flood to Israel during the aftermath of the USSR's
> collapse. But that was before the current war began.
> Since the start of the intifada 11 months ago, plenty of blood has been shed
> by Israel's ex-Soviet citizens. Almost all of the 22 people killed by the Tel
> Aviv bomb in June were Russian-speaking immigrants. They have feat
> ured on the list of victims of drive-by shootings of soldiers and settlers by
> Palestinian guerrilla groups.
> The violence is getting worse � six Palestinians were killed yesterday by the
> Israeli army, and on Tuesday there was another, happily thwarted, attempt to
> massacre Israelis in Jerusalem with a car bomb. Yet the "Russians"
> just keep  on coming.
> Yesterday was perhaps not the occasion to raise the inconvenient question of
> the war, or the way it is being waged. The youngsters shrugged it off, at
> least outwardly.
> Some � the Russians among them � pointed out that the picture is far worse in
> Chechnya, neglecting to add that for most of them that conflict is thousands
> of miles away from home. Some insisted that they are undeterred by
> the prospect of serving as soldiers of their new nation, for which they
> already expressed strong patriotic attachment.
> Polina Ferman, the daughter of a financial consultant from Kursk, fell into
> the latter camp. She "didn't mind" living with Arabs so long as they
> recognised that they were all foreigners � including the West Bankers and Ga
> zans � living on Jewish land. And if she was swept up in the violence? That
> was a matter for God. "If I must die, I will die."
> But their faces were revealing. During their welcoming ceremony, rousing
> Hebrew nationalist songs blared out of the loudspeakers. Roses and flags were
> handed out. But the youngsters appeared subdued, some scowling, some a
> pplauding half-heartedly. All the young men knew that � after the Hebrew
> courses and English lessons � they will have to serve in the army.
> The Jews among Israel's Russian immigrants see themselves as exercising an
> historic right to return to live in their homeland, escaping the anti-Semitism
> that plagues eastern Europe and Russia. But this is far from the co
> mplete picture.
> At least half of this year's new arrivals are not Jewish under rabbinical law;
> a significant number have little meaningful cultural or religious connection
> to � or any knowledge of � Judaism, the Jewish people or Israel.
> They are economic migrants, Slavs arriving in search of a more prosperous life
> � of the jobs, income and welfare that their benighted, deeply corrupt,
> autocratic former Soviet republics have long ceased to provide.
> Israel is happy to have them. It knows it needs foot soldiers for its eternal
> demographic war against the Arabs within Israel � who form  a sixth of its
> population of 6.4m � and against the Palestinians imprisoned in the
> occupied territories and the refugee camps of neighbouring countries.
> Demographers predict that within 20 years, Jews will form a minority west of
> the River Jordan; Israel is eagerly packing them in, without being too fussy
> about their credentials.
> But for the Palestinians, the Russian wave of immigration is yet another
> addition to their ledger of historic grievances against their Israeli
> occupiers
> and another reason to go on fighting.
> The Palestinians demand the right to return to the lands from which they
> were driven during the war that erupted with the creation of Israel in 1948,
> but
> they know that Israel will never allow it. They watch with deep bitterness as
> the Israelis annually admit tens of thousands of Russians under the so-called
> Law of Return, which merely requires that new immigrants need have only
> one Jewish grandparent. Many of these are � as Palestinians repeatedly
> point out � no more Jewish than they are.
>
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