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Amelia wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my
> question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would
> respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I
> am
> told this family is Jewish by many who know everything)
They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know.
> and power
> elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do
> you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody
> else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time
> and they have been completely by-passed by every social program
> that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and
> because they are white.
Bullshit. Many of the original poverty programs were set up with
these people in mind.
And what is the cause for their oppression? It's not their color. It's
not their religion. What could it be?
> There has been no outcry allowed for their
> injustices just because they are white. No special programs for
> them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally
> encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses
> with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks
> or Hispanics who do this.
Well I do. I worked in Harlen and the South Bronx. Anyhow, this isn't a
suffering contest. No one should live like this.
> Their children are malnourished and they
> do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to
> give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their
> family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country,
> a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white,
> aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that.
>
> I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their
> exploitation.
Then you understand nothing.
> It is about poverty and oppression and
> socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal
> opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites
> powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is
> really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not
> make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot
> and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than
> any other group.
>
> I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only
> OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend
> themselves, it is for ALL to do so.
Poor whites can't defend themselves as an ethnic group since the White
ethnic group is in control. But they can defend themselves as a social
or economic class together with other ethnic groups who suffer poverty
for the same reason. Capitalism.
No one can take seriously a group who whines about the horrors of being
White in America.
> Whites have just as much right
> to their own culture as any other ethnic group.
Absolutely.
> Reverse
> discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and
> that is all this is and that is what you condoning.
I don't condon this.
> I also think
> this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these
> people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened
> ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL,
> based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication.
> These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage?
> Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist.
Not automatically. They have to work at it.
J2
>
> ~Amelia~
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nurev Ind." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Amelia wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > ...someone who is looking for a pseudo-
> > scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'...
> >
> > Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/
> > Michael Pugliese
> >
> > How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL
> or
> > any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic
> > group?
>
> It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits
> thereof.
> But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE
> POWER STRUCTURE
> and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups
> ridiculous,
> unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and
> brainwashed
> to do.
>
> So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for
> more power it
> serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power,
> it's a
> monopoly.
>
> That's the difference Amelia.
>
> J2
>
> > See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because
> > they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you
> > stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions
> of
> > other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for
> whites
> > to do so?
> > Amelia
> >
> > European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement
> >
> > European/American Issues Forum
> >
> > CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at
> Arms
> > Louis Calabro, President------Aida T. Cordano, Vice President
> >
> > The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are:
> >
> > 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans
> to
> > discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues
> > that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern
> California
> > and beyond.
> >
> > 2. To promote the general welfare of our members.
> >
> > 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and
> > education.
> >
> > 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin
> > discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise
> > recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups.
> >
> > 5. To educate European-Americans and other cultural and ethnic
> > groups about the richly textured diversity, values, languages,
> > cultures and contributions of European-Americans.
> >
> > 6. To protest unfair and biased descriptions of
> European-Americans
> > in educational institutions and the communications media.
> >
> > 7. To encourage and support the establishment of similar forums
> in
> > each city and county of northern California and beyond
> >
> > Adopted April 26,1997
> >
> > Louis Calabro
> > President EAIF
> >
> > Home
>
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