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Right.
Our weak border policy shows our freedom of fear from others.  We let =
people cross and we knew we did.  Whether that is wise or not is for =
history to judge.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: thew=20
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
  Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Never again


  -Caveat Lector-

  a strong border policy is about 400 years too late for america
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  Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original
  dimensions.


  Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.






  NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

  > From: Yardbird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:38:44 -0300
  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Subject: [CTRL] Never again (fwd)
  >
  > -Caveat Lector-
  >
  > For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/
  >
  > Never again
  > Issue 95: September 16, 2001
  >
  > +=3D=3D TIME OUT PROJECT =3D=3D+
  >
  > Visible from the west-facing windows, the smoke still rises above =
the
  > place where thousands of our fellow citizens remain buried under the
  > wreckage of the World Trade Center.
  >
  > Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of what has happened sinks
  > in.  We feel anger at our enemies, and anger at those who have =
permitted
  > this to happen.
  >
  > As our nation prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome =
attack,
  > we must remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and
  > comfort their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen =
the
  > chance, to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever
  > happening again.
  >
  > This means, in part, implementing a prudent border policy.  Going =
after
  > terrorists and improving airport security, while important, are not
  > enough; America is vulnerable on many other fronts.
  >
  > Many pro-borders activists can recall the seminal moment when he or =
she
  > awoke to the serious implications of current immigration policy.
  >
  > For the founder of ProjectUSA, it was walking down a street in =
Beijing
  > and seeing a poster plastered on a nearby wall that was an =
advertisement
  > in Chinese for an "English language school" in Beijing, upon =
graduation
  > from which the "student" would receive a "free visa" to Vancouver,
  > British Columbia, Canada -- the "future summer resort city for
  > Beijing."   From there, the poster promised, "it is easy to get into =
the
  > United States."
  >
  > May many others find their seminal moments now.
  > __________
  > September 11, hours before the WTC attack, Bill Clinton told an
  > Australian audience that he "supported the ultimate wisdom of a
  > borderless world for people and for trade."
  > Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE)
  > "The Gods Of The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter =
Return."
  > http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm
  >
  > Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental security
  > (Toronto Sun)
  > http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html
  >
  > Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system (Los
  > Angeles Times, 2001)
  > =
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15-ON.html=

  >
  > INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students (Houston
  > Chronicle)
  > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338
  >
  > Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since =
1995
  > on critical, high-tech R&D projects for Pentagon
  > http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D22752
  >
  >
  > +=3D=3D TAKE POSITIVE ACTION =3D=3D+
  >
  > It is essential that we do what we can to prevent a recurrence of =
the
  > September 11th attacks.  Policymakers should seriously consider =
taking
  > these common sense steps:
  >
  > =3D> implement a common security zone with Canada, standardizing
  > point-of-entry procedures and sharing information;
  >
  > =3D> massively beef up security and inspections at the Mexican =
border and
  > scuttle the hugely reckless plan to open U.S. highways to Mexican =
trucks
  > -- a plan experts agree will make human smuggling easier;
  >
  > =3D> end the classification of legal permanent residents (LPRs) for
  > military intelligence purposes as U.S. Persons, which practice =
prevents
  > Intelligence Oversight of LPRs, who are, in fact, still technically
  > foreign citizens;
  >
  > =3D> eliminate student visas since, outside the financial benefit to
  > universities, there is no real reason for them, and the potential
  > downside is enormous;
  >
  > =3D> implement "Sec 110," the border-exit system (torpedoed by =
former
  > Senator Spencer Abraham and former INS Commissioner Doris Meisner) =
which
  > would greatly aid authorities in tracking tourist (and student) visa
  > overstays, and vigorously pursue and repatriate overstayers;
  >
  > =3D> fully staff Immigration and Naturalization Service operations =
to
  > authorized levels at all U.S. ports and entry points;
  >
  > =3D> correct the inefficiencies and inaccuracies of the I-94 =
entry/exit
  > form and make it more user-friendly;
  >
  > =3D> reduce the number of forms and paperwork required to refuse =
entry at
  > US airports under the ER and I-275 programs;
  >
  > =3D> begin prosecuting U.S. citizens and LPR's who are apprehended
  > attempting to smuggle their family members into the United States;
  >
  > =3D> establish a tamper-proof national identity card that includes
  > "biometric" information;
  >
  > =3D> drastically curtail the ability of foreign governments and =
their
  > business "fronts" to operate in the United States;
  >
  > =3D> withdraw the probably well-intentioned but manifestly foolish =
House
  > bill H.R. 1996 and Senate bill S. 799 which are intended to prevent
  > racial profiling at U.S. Customs -- we must allow good cops to make =
fair
  > judgments based on instinct and experience;
  >
  > =3D> reject extension of the fraud-riddled marriage amnesty bill =
(Sec.
  > 245i), which makes it more difficult for the INS to screen out
  > undesirables since it allows illegal aliens in this country to =
remain
  > and thereby essentially by-pass normal security checks (which should =
be
  > improved) at American embassies abroad ;
  >
  > =3D> implement another immigration time-out (H.R. 2712), similar to =
what
  > we had between 1925 and 1965, in order to give the assimilation =
process
  > time to counter the growing presence of unassimilated, impenetrable,
  > culturally antagonistic ethnic enclaves.
  >
  > You can help this week by offering a prayer for those who lost loved
  > ones in the heinous attacks on Tuesday, and by offering a prayer for =
our
  > country, that we may do the right thing now.
  >
  >
  > +=3D=3D QUOTE OF THE WEEK =3D=3D+
  >
  > Innocence is lovely in the child, because in harmony with its =
nature;
  > but our path in life is not backward but onward, and virtue can =
never be
  > the offspring of mere innocence. If we are to progress in the =
knowledge
  > of good, we must also progress in the knowledge of evil.
  >
  > Mrs. H. O. Ward
  > U.S. author (1824-1899)
  >
  >
  > +=3D=3DEMAIL OF THE WEEK=3D=3D+
  >
  > Read dozens of responses to Tuesday's ezine on the WTC attack:
  > http://projectusa.org/Ezine/ezine_links/emails-1.htm
  >
  > So far, all of the people defending Mass-immigration and calling =
Project
  > USA racist, either live outside of New York, or is some immature =
college
  > kid from the cornfield.
  >
  > Let me tell all of you something....I was there. I survived. I saw =
the
  > destruction of my city I grew up and worked in. I ran for my life as =
the
  > greatest buildings in the world fell. As I see the news reports over =
and
  > over again, it is clear who is responsible, and what needs to be =
done.
  >
  > If these people were not allowed into my country unchecked, the WTC
  > would still be standing, and many of my co-workers and friends would =
be
  > alive. We must close the borders now, and all illegal aliens =
deported.
  > We must take back America, even though it may be too late.
  >
  > John D. Lictro
  > Brooklyn, NYC
  >
  >
  > +=3D=3DINFORMATION=3D=3D+
  >
  > Unsubscribe: hit reply, and type "remove" in the subject line
  > Ezine staff: http://projectusa.org/Ezine_staff.html
  > Tax-exempt gifts: http://projectusa.org/contribute.html
  > Ezine archives: =
http://projectusa.org/Ezine/us_immigration_ezine.html
  > 15u
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" color=3D#000080 =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Our =
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knew we did.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans Unicode" =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>thew</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 17, =
2001 9:59=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CTRL] Never =
again</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>-Caveat Lector-<BR><BR>a strong border policy is about =
400=20
  years too late for america<BR>-- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - -&nbsp; - =
----- --=20
  --- -- - - - ---- - -- - - - --<BR>---- -- - -- -<BR><BR><BR>Man's =
mind=20
  stretched to a new idea never goes back to its=20
  original<BR>dimensions.<BR><BR><BR>Oliver Wendell Holmes=20
  Jr.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~thew";>http://home.earthlink.net/~thew<=
/A><BR><BR>&gt;=20
  From: Yardbird &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
Reply-To:=20
  Conspiracy Theory Research List &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>&gt;<BR>&g=
t;=20
  Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:38:44 -0300<BR>&gt; To: <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR>&gt; =
Subject:=20
  [CTRL] Never again (fwd)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -Caveat =
Lector-<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; For=20
  an immigration time-out: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.projectusa.org/";>http://www.projectusa.org/</A><BR>&gt=
;<BR>&gt;=20
  Never again<BR>&gt; Issue 95: September 16, 2001<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
+=3D=3D TIME OUT=20
  PROJECT =3D=3D+<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Visible from the west-facing windows, =
the smoke=20
  still rises above the<BR>&gt; place where thousands of our fellow =
citizens=20
  remain buried under the<BR>&gt; wreckage of the World Trade=20
  Center.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of =
what has=20
  happened sinks<BR>&gt; in.&nbsp; We feel anger at our enemies, and =
anger at=20
  those who have permitted<BR>&gt; this to happen.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; As =
our nation=20
  prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome attack,<BR>&gt; we =
must=20
  remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and<BR>&gt; =
comfort=20
  their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen the<BR>&gt; =
chance,=20
  to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever<BR>&gt; =
happening=20
  again.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; This means, in part, implementing a prudent =
border=20
  policy.&nbsp; Going after<BR>&gt; terrorists and improving airport =
security,=20
  while important, are not<BR>&gt; enough; America is vulnerable on many =
other=20
  fronts.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Many pro-borders activists can recall the =
seminal=20
  moment when he or she<BR>&gt; awoke to the serious implications of =
current=20
  immigration policy.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; For the founder of ProjectUSA, it =
was=20
  walking down a street in Beijing<BR>&gt; and seeing a poster plastered =
on a=20
  nearby wall that was an advertisement<BR>&gt; in Chinese for an =
"English=20
  language school" in Beijing, upon graduation<BR>&gt; from which the =
"student"=20
  would receive a "free visa" to Vancouver,<BR>&gt; British Columbia, =
Canada --=20
  the "future summer resort city for<BR>&gt; Beijing."&nbsp;&nbsp; From =
there,=20
  the poster promised, "it is easy to get into the<BR>&gt; United=20
  States."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; May many others find their seminal moments=20
  now.<BR>&gt; __________<BR>&gt; September 11, hours before the WTC =
attack,=20
  Bill Clinton told an<BR>&gt; Australian audience that he "supported =
the=20
  ultimate wisdom of a<BR>&gt; borderless world for people and for=20
  trade."<BR>&gt; Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE)<BR>&gt; "The =
Gods Of=20
  The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter Return."<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm";>http://www.vda=
re.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental =
security<BR>&gt;=20
  (Toronto Sun)<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html";>http://www.can=
oe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system =
(Los<BR>&gt;=20
  Angeles Times, 2001)<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15=
-ON.html">http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas=
15-ON.html</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students =
(Houston<BR>&gt;=20
  Chronicle)<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338";>http:=
//www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=
=20
  Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since =
1995<BR>&gt;=20
  on critical, high-tech R&amp;D projects for Pentagon<BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D22752";>http://wnd.co=
m/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D22752</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  +=3D=3D TAKE POSITIVE ACTION =3D=3D+<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; It is essential =
that we do what=20
  we can to prevent a recurrence of the<BR>&gt; September 11th =
attacks.&nbsp;=20
  Policymakers should seriously consider taking<BR>&gt; these common =
sense=20
  steps:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; implement a common security zone with =
Canada,=20
  standardizing<BR>&gt; point-of-entry procedures and sharing=20
  information;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; massively beef up security and =
inspections=20
  at the Mexican border and<BR>&gt; scuttle the hugely reckless plan to =
open=20
  U.S. highways to Mexican trucks<BR>&gt; -- a plan experts agree will =
make=20
  human smuggling easier;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; end the classification =
of legal=20
  permanent residents (LPRs) for<BR>&gt; military intelligence purposes =
as U.S.=20
  Persons, which practice prevents<BR>&gt; Intelligence Oversight of =
LPRs, who=20
  are, in fact, still technically<BR>&gt; foreign =
citizens;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  =3D&gt; eliminate student visas since, outside the financial benefit =
to<BR>&gt;=20
  universities, there is no real reason for them, and the =
potential<BR>&gt;=20
  downside is enormous;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; implement "Sec 110," the =

  border-exit system (torpedoed by former<BR>&gt; Senator Spencer =
Abraham and=20
  former INS Commissioner Doris Meisner) which<BR>&gt; would greatly aid =

  authorities in tracking tourist (and student) visa<BR>&gt; overstays, =
and=20
  vigorously pursue and repatriate overstayers;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; =
fully=20
  staff Immigration and Naturalization Service operations to<BR>&gt; =
authorized=20
  levels at all U.S. ports and entry points;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =3D&gt; =
correct the=20
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