-Caveat Lector- A) they are not Arabs, so where the Arabs are being mistreated may be a different place than where they are mistreating Israeli prisoners
B) Being foreign is not the same as being guilty c) we have laws here against mistreatment of prisoners, torture, etc. if these young men are being tortured, kept from talking to family, lawyers, etc, then we are not acting like the democracy we are supposed to be. -- ------- ---------------------- -------------- ---- ------ -------------- "They that can give up essential liberty for a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety," Ben Franklin NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:15:05 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Bizarre Tale of 5 Arrested Israelis Gets Weirder > > -Caveat Lector- > > ............................................................... > > From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] > Note: We store 100's of related "New Paradigms Posts" at: > http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html > > From: "All The News That Doesn't Fit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Bizarre Tale of 5 Arrested Israelis Gets Weirder > Date: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:00 PM > > > Bizarre Tale of 5 Arrested Israelis Gets Weirder > > Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit > > > [These five have not been deported as was expected on Sept 18 when > the last news appeared about them. Now the mother of one of them, who > has been shrieking to the press since the beginning, claims that they > were not on a Jersey City rooftop on Sept 11, taking pictures and > shouting with joy as the towers burned and collapsed, but that they > were actually arrested in the George Washington Bridge white van > incident. (Readers will recall THAT incident was later said to have > really been a white van in the NJ Meadowlands, nowhere near and > having nothing to do with the GWB.) We'll probably never know, but at > least it seems that the Fabulous But Incompetent have not just let > the Israelis all run home to Mommy. > > Mom is lucky her precious boy isn't experiencing the conditions > Palestinian prisoners endure in Israel. She is complaining about > conditions at the MCC (probably the story is in error about their > whereabouts. The Manhattan Federal Correction Center is where they > are keeping most of their Arab hostages swept up in New York City > during the post-911 racist hysteria.) > > It's particularly amusing to see these dudes in their 20s being > described as if they were children. -- NY Transfer] > > * > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=11837&PHPSESSID=19ad824ee8930c2 > d1f082035b47ec9c8 > > Five Israelis Held in New York > > Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to > family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges > relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on > Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges > of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge. > > Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, southeast of Haifa, > says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological > situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the > difficult conditions in which they are being held. "Even the Israeli > Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking > several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's > Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in > English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me > that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under > difficult conditions." > > When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie > replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George > Washington Bridge [between upper Manhattan and New Jersey] at the > time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of > guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this > van, with my son and his four friends -- one of them had a large sum of > money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is > named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar -- they put one and > one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the > first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with > no clothes and no food." She said that original reports that they had > been arrested while boisterously watching the disaster from a rooftop > "are totally fabricated. For one thing, they weren't even on a roof, > they were in a van..." > > When asked how she explains her son's continued incarceration and > that of his friends, she said, "I truly have no explanation for this > incredible story - except this: The Americans are using them as pawns > to pressure the Israeli government. Am I being clear enough?" She > said that President Moshe Katzav and others had attempted to > intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are > being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. > > A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 > that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have > different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone > arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours > must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team." 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