-Caveat Lector- Bob Pappa's Article should be included as an epilog to the treatment afforded to the Vietnam War in *every* American History textbook , in *every* classroom in America. Maybe the GOD of us all, who has those 58,151 patriots in HIS presence will see to it that those Colonel Pappas mentions....AND others of the same ilk, who have not sought forgiveness and done penance,spends their eternity in the presence of the Custodian of Hell. This Nation *STILL* owes a debt to the 8,744,000 who served in that war, including those who served, were wounded or died there between 1959 and 1964. I would remind ALL, that those serving now and going in harm's way, under this Nation's banner, deserve no less than 100% support from it's citizens. Failure to give this support *should* preclude their enjoyment of *any* benefit accrued from being an American. Bitch all you want, *after* they are out of harm's way...but then, the "bitching" should *never* be directed toward them, individually or collectively.
I'm sure that on this list will take issue with what I've said......Please do so, privately. John A. O'Neal At 10:15 PM 12/02/2001 -0500, you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >http://www.gulf1.com/COLUMNS/Pappas/20a.htm > >WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! > > >HITRAP >Honesty, Integrity, Trust, Responsibility, Accountability and People. >by Robert L. Pappas, >Col. USMC (RET) > >It's time to get this off my chest On November 26th, Larry King hosted US >Secretary of State Colin Powell for a wide-ranging discussion of the War on >Terrorism. It was an excellent performance by General Powell who deftly >maneuvered through the maze of King's "land mines." A long time commentator, >anchor and moderator of "FACE THE NATION," CBS News chief Washington >correspondent, Bob Schieffer, followed General Powell. It was the latter >interview that prompts this essay. Messieurs King and Schieffer were involved >in a dialogue about how the American people are reacting to the War on >Terrorism. > >SCHIEFFER: "... it's a story on two fronts, but it's a story that we not only >are covering, it's a story that we know whose side we're on here. This is not >covering Vietnam, where there's a big debate over whether American troops >ought to be sent off to some country that none of us had ever heard of before >the troops went there. To help people, form a democracy, or whatever it was >we were trying to do." "...And I'm still not sure we really know." > >SCHIEFFER: "This (ed. note, the attack on America) is something where these >are our people. These were Americans, innocent Americans, women and children. >I now know two people who died." > >KING: "Do you?" > >SCHIEFFER: "As a result of this. And I mean, this is something we were all >involved in. So this is different." > >Ah, yes. How "marvelously" arrogant and blissfully ignorant, "THIS IS >DIFFERENT." > >With that "pile" of bovine scatology, scar covered wounds that have been slow >healing for decades were reopened as with a rusty knife. The wounds came, not >just from the 500 missions this writer flew, not only from being shot down, >and not even from enduring the capture or loss of close friends. The lasting >wounds came from serving the interest of a nation whose political, >educational, entertainment, and spiritual leaders understood pathetic little >of the reasons for US involvement, and could have cared less about the men >and women who served there. > >The scars came from protecting the broad interests of a generation that did >not deserve it, and who to this day are so arrogant and ignorant as to >believe that they were righteous in their opposition to the Vietnam War. It >is this writer's assertion that it was the United States' action in Vietnam, >in conjunction with the brilliant geopolitical skills of Richard Milhous >Nixon notwithstanding his lack of other virtues, that rendered the first body >blow to the Soviet Union, thus stemming its quest for world domination and >resulted in its eventual collapse both as an economic system and >totalitarian, evil empire and has made possible unprecedented economic >well-being. > >The beauty of this great Republic is that Americans are able to exercise >constitutionally guaranteed freedoms without fear of government reprisal. In >this land, unlike most others, reasonable people can disagree on issues of >importance without resorting to violence, as was eloquently illustrated >during the 2000 elections. It was for the Constitution, for freedom and the >blessings of liberty that the writer devoted a major portion of his adult >life in the armed service of this great nation. > >Schieffer's manifest bewildering, arrogant and ignorant attitude about the >Vietnam War reflects the attitude of many during the sixties and early >seventies. In fact, his and others with similar attitudes grown large >gradually affected the outcome of that war and the loss of 58,000 patriots. >Although the writer has strongly held opinions about that war, they are about >the conduct thereof not about its underlying purpose. > >In the early 1990s, Mr. Russ Davis wrote a commentary in the Utica, New York, >"Observer Dispatch" titled, Let God sort sinners from the saints. In the >article he exemplified a segment of the U.S. population whose behavior during >the Vietnam War was characterized as heroic by some and dishonorable by >others. Fleeing to Canada or spending time in jail was for them a welcome >alternative to the risk of dying in a poorly understood and worse, poorly >executed war. > >Traditionally, through the elective process, patriotic loyalty has been >imputed in the nation's elected leaders; and by extrapolation to the nation, >states, communities, and ultimately to one another. Mr. Davis' article noted >above touched lightly on the essence of loyalty when he described a man who >he greatly respected, but who did not come to grips with the reality of his >own student deferment until he faced the "names on The Wall." There, in front >of Davis' friend was the name of someone he knew and who out of loyalty to >his fellows, to the Constitution of the United States, had the personal >integrity to do what was difficult but right; and that made it possible for >Davis' friend to live a fulfilled life. > >Given Schieffer's contemporary remarks, memories of the Vietnam War evidently >remain as clouded by ignorance, arrogance and perhaps benign malice today >that was virulent and rampant during the War. Distortions of reality thus >created, made it impossible then and difficult even now for people on >opposite sides of the issue to objectively assess US involvement. Those over >the age of sixty should be able to recall that the overarching US policy of >"Containment" was first devised during the Truman Administration, and was >ultimately responsible for US involvement in that War. > >The "Containment Doctrine" as it was called, resulted in the US government >negotiating mutual security treaties with a number of nations on the >periphery of the Soviet Union, the Peoples Republic of China and other >communist nations. Communism's rate and methods of expansion made it a real >threat with frightening prospects and the aforementioned mutual security >treaties constituted a bulwark against unrestrained worldwide territorial >expansion. Communism was branded in many ways, but none more aptly than by >President Reagan when he labeled it the "Evil Empire." > >There were many skirmishes during the Cold War: Korea, the Taiwan Straits, >the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam and others that occurred on a daily or >weekly basis. The Communist, mirroring Free World strategy, attempted to >contain the Free World in much the same way that the Free World was >endeavoring to contain communism. Revisionists, motivated by their anti US >biases, are hard at work attempting to alter the factual historical record. > >One treaty created incident to "Containment" was the Southeast Asia Treaty >Organization (SEATO), of which South Vietnam was a member. North Vietnam, >through its agents in the south, and with its own national military and >paramilitary forces, set about to overthrow the Government of South Vietnam. >That eventually led to direct U.S. involvement during the Kennedy and Johnson >Administrations, although there was minimal military advisory involvement as >early as the Eisenhower administration. > >As a patriotic young officer who was born and nurtured as a God fearing >anti-communist, this writer believed, and continues to believe that the US >did the right thing but in the wrong way. Strategically and tactically the >Vietnam War was poorly executed, but that did not have to be. The U.S. >possessed the national resources and military power, the strategic and >tactical skills and the training to achieve the same results in Vietnam that >were achieved in the Gulf War, and although "school is still out," the War on >Terrorism. But time, political ignorance, and such notables as a much younger >Bob Schieffer, Russ Davis, Jane Fonda, Bill Clinton and others too numerous >to mention here, as a practical matter, rendered aid and comfort to the >enemy, undermined the national will and resulted directly or indirectly in >the death of 58,000 Americans. > >Incompetent political leadership at the highest levels of the Government from >top down, who lacked a fundamental understanding of war, its purposes and >prosecution, and who were mesmerized by McNamara and his whiz kids, >squandered U.S. military power and diplomatic prestige. Meanwhile, the >streets of U.S. cities filled with people responding to the drumbeats of the >divisive, undermining "fifth columnists" in education, entertainment, >government and religion, and, to legitimate confusion. > >Was Vietnam a military defeat? No! Contrary to media hype and rhetoric, the >Vietnam War was not a military defeat; rather it was a political and moral >defeat. Though that did not seem to have an immediate, apparent effect on >American security; South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos fell into communist >hands, while Indonesia and Thailand were seriously threatened. The genocide >that historically followed communist takeovers, and estimated to be in the >tens of millions remains beyond civilized comprehension. > >One cannot refrain from disparaging the Johnson Administration that came to >power under tragic, even questionable circumstances, behaved in a >discreditable manner, and squandered America's treasure, youth, and moral >authority. Johnson's arrogant ignorance, thinking and behaving as though Ho >Chi Minh was some Texas country bumpkin politician who he could "jaw bone" >into submission, and envisioning himself to be some grand military strategist >did nothing but harden Ho Chi Minh's resolve, divide the country, alienate US >allies, prolong and complicate the War and increase the total number of >casualties. > >As though this was not enough, there was an important and broader picture >that the Schieffers of the world failed, indeed did not seem to want to see, >and who are only now coming to appreciate. It was a larger "picture" of the >vital need to be loyal to one's neighbors, friends, to one's nation and its >armed forces, and for personal integrity; and at the national level, the need >for credibility with respect to the nation's mutual security treaties and >ultimately the security of each U.S. citizen, individually and collectively. >That "picture" was brought into sharp focus by the dastardly attack on the >World Trade Center, (instead of far off places like Vietnam, or attacks on US >Embassies, ships, or people), that the Schieffer's of this country are >finally able to grasp the importance of patriotism, journalist or not. The >following dialogue illustrates what is meant. > >SCHIEFFER: "As a result of this. And I mean, this is something we were all >involved in. So this is different." > >KING: "And when it's we and them, you weren't covering things in World War >II, which I imagine was similar in that regard." > >SCHIEFFER: "Yes." > >KING: "Does that cause you any difficulty, journalistically to be a "we" >journalist?" > >SCHIEFFER: "I think and I must say and maybe this is bad, maybe this is good. >I've thought about this. I think in times like this, we do tend to give the >government the benefit of the doubt. Under no circumstances would any >journalist, any responsible journalist I know, disclose plans, or disclose >any kind of troop movements or anything else that would put someone's life in >danger." > >Give us a break! During Vietnam, self-righteous "talking heads" and reporters >made great sport of divulging military plans and strategies that undermined >the war effort and cost perhaps hundreds if not thousands of American lives, >divided the nation and lead to humiliating national defeat. > >Military service is an honorable hallmark of the American experience born of >the quest for survival and freedom. Regrettably, and tragically, that great >American hallmark was soiled and desecrated during the Vietnam War by the >previously mentioned persons, i.e. Fonda, Clinton, and etc. > >It is sadistic and twisted irony that those who fled, evaded the draft or >otherwise avoided military service and whose real purpose was to preserve >their cowardly skins, have been elevated to the status of hero, while those >who responded honorably to the nation's call, in too many cases have become >the derelicts of American society. And yet, it is those "derelicts" of every >war (none of which were lily-white) before, during and after Vietnam who, >though fearful for their own safety, underwrote the nation's existence with >their lives and sacred honor. They made it possible to foster an environment >in which the nation could flourish; and they protected it so that the >benefits of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" could be enjoyed by >such lesser souls as Davis, Schieffer, Fonda, Clinton and other ignominious >persons. > >The millions who served honorably during the Vietnam War do not know or want >to know all of the unworthy "Davises," "Fondas," "Clintons" and "Schieffers" >in this country, but they know who they are, and they have to live with it. >And though Schieffer's words were eloquently spoken during the Larry King >interview, no amount of deodorant can cover the rotten stench of that >generations' unsavory behavior, nor can this belated surge in their >patriotism grant respectability to those who, by their actions of draft >evasion or contrived avoidance of military service irreparably marred their >honor and betrayed their fellow countrymen. > >The blood of the heroic "lambs" who served and died in their place covers >their otherwise unbearable stench, and only that freshens the air for the >rest of us. > >Semper Fidelis > >Robert L. 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