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Hank at PNews responds to Mark Bilk.....
"The Forum holds that the United States has vital interests in the region;
in particular, it believes in strong ties with Israel, Turkey, and other
democracies as they emerge; works for human rights throughout the region;
seeks a stable supply and a low price of oil; and promotes the peaceful
settlement of regional and international disputes.''....Norm Dixon"
Is "peaceful settlement of regional and international disputes" what Norm
Dixon of the Greens finds objectionable or "working for human rights" or
the fact that there are shared Judeo/Christian values and a vivacious
Democracy in Israel? (Israel is the ONLY democracy in the mid-east)? Or
does Dixon challenge the bone fides of my 40 years of activism on the Left
or efficacy of presenting all views for the oldest "progressive" forum on
the internet (since 1982) which values truth more than a left or right
anti-Zionist "LINE OF MARCH".
Mark Bilk prefers propaganda which is clouded by Jewish hatred and false
propaganda is regularly debunked (or challenged) in PNEWS-L, because in
this symposium (with over 2,700 members) we value credibility more than
UNSUBSTANTIATED opinions.
It is also presumptuous of Mr Bilk's to claim it is not "progressive" to
present historical truth with substantiating citations. That is what we
do. I was in Hashomer Hatzair and with the ZOA since the early 60s and we
were not in the business of manufacturing the truth. We lived it and we
defended then and now the survival of the State of Israel as a refuge
against persecution of Jews and a haven from anti-Semitism. That is our
liberation movement, which has been to no small extent influenced by an
Israeli left and by socialism.
It is also dangerous and myopic for the Left to narrowly interpret
Israel's special reality with a jaundice, anti-Zionism view because it
might be the LEFT "thing" according to the Chomsky school of politics.
There is also Zinn, Parenti, Lasch, Fromm and Hitchens, and they have not
always agreed with each other. [Neither does Bennie Morris who recently
admitted to having been betrayed by the Palestinians] As a former member
of US Peace Now and a regional representative with the New Jewish Agenda,
I and others in those organizations came to the same conclusions and our
support for Socialist-Zionism remains intact.
Recent disputes in the Nation and Z over Hitchens position on the war in
Afghanistan and others demonstrate that narrowness of some left views.
Either we are democratic or we are not. The left has never been able to
coexist because each "line of march" is claimed to be the correct one.
Each tendency claims to be more progressive than the other, like the
NARROW "line of march" which ultimately destroyed the U.S. Guardian
newspaper in the 70s.
There is more socialism in Israel than there is in the United States and
PNEWS recognizes that democratic-socialism is inherent in the Zionist
ideal and "democratic" implies the right to choose a path to survival.
PNEWS presents that view when no one else will just as it also has Dr.
Francis Beale, who as a lawyer provides counseling to the Palestinians and
is also an honored member who just happens to present a pro-Palestinian
view on PNEWS-L. We also have several former CIA members and I myself was
a cryptologist for a president and for a Chief of Staff - and we have
several reporters and producers, some currently active and one who broke
the Tailwind (sarin gas used in Cambodia) story on CNN.
From: "Mark S Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: www.cosmicpenguin.com
Subject: WHY IS M.A.P FULL OF ISRAELI PROPAGANDA FROM PNEWS?
Article: 132743
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In the last week or so there have suddenly appeared in
misc.activism.progressive numerous propaganda articles
for Israel and Zionism from the "PNEWS" list run by
Hank Roth ("the golem"). This material is the very
opposite of progressive.
The origin of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is simply
that from 1948 through the present time, millions of Jewish
immigrants entered Palestine and expelled the inhabitants
by military force from their cities and villages, taking their
homes and land, and killing many thousands of them.
The Nazi holocaust in Europe did not confer upon the Jews
any moral right whatsoever to treat the Palestinians similarly
to the way the Nazis had treated them.
And the text in their Torah/Bible that someone wrote saying
that their diety "gave" them this land does not give them
any moral right either to attack, rob, expel, and kill the people
who were already living there.
The websites below show that Palestine had about 700,000
inhabitants in 1918, of which only 8% were Jews. Many
of the Palestinians were farmers, and even early Zionists
who visited Palestine before 1900 to investigate it as a
possible location for a Jewish state reported that all the
arable land was already in use by the people who lived
there, for growing grain, fruits, and vegetables, much
of it for export.
This is not a symmetrical situation. The Israelis attacked
the Palestinians, who had been living peacefully and doing
no harm to anyone. The Palestinians then tried to fight
back to regain their homes and freedom, but were totally
overmatched by the Israelis' military weapons of mass
murder -- tanks, jet fighters, helicopter gunships, rockets,
cluster bombs, etc., supplied by the tens of billions of
dollars worth by the United States.
Israel has been practicing state racism, terrorism and
mass murder for 53 years. The propaganda for Israel from
PNEWS is totally anti-progressive! Why is it being
approved by the m.a.p moderators?
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story414.html
http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html
http://www.palestineremembered.com
http://www.palestine-net.com/history
http://www.palestine-net.com
This one is by Jews. Click on the "History" link.
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