-Caveat Lector- From: Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >No, the point is that it's a difference of degrees, and even you, Colleen, >purport to speak for morality for all of us, and it still seems you do not >understand the sculpture at the library.
I wonder what YOUR understanding of the sculpture at the Denver library is, Joshua? I definitely don't have a problem with seeing any gender's genitalia, whether in a piece that purports to be 'art' or in the flesh; but what I found objectionable with the work shown at the Denver library is that it displayed severed male genitalia in the name of fighting domestic violence; if the work had instead showed severed female vulvas strung on a clothesline and named "Hung Out To Dry", there would have been a great hue and cry regarding it encouraging violence against women; I wonder why people don't see it as encouraging violence against men (both straight and gay men) and why a work of art that shows the results of a violent act upon a person is being shown in the name of stopping violence.... >So, to me: Ashcroft - being offended at the naked breast is equivalent of: >Colleen - being offended at male genitalia. Neither one offends me, though only >one offends you, and I still don't know exactly why it does. Perhaps it's the difference between one being shown severed, by itself, while the other is shown as part of the human body in total... Historically, "Freedom" has always been shown as a female with one breast exposed, going back over 200 years... I wonder why everyone is fixating on Ashcroft's supposed prudishness in ordering the sculpture covered, but not complaining at the over $8000 cost for the curtain. THAT is what bothers me even more than Ashcroft's laughable 'morality'; he could have just had a tarp tossed over the thing for a couple of bucks, instead of wasting more than $8000 of the taxpayers' money to hide the sculpture (which I presume was also paid for by our tax dollars?)... >Michelangelo's David had more showing ... And Colleen would prefer that a fig leaf be put over what she finds is 'offensive'... Reminds me of a flighty art history teacher I had in college, one who would get quite flustered over any depiction of nudes, whether painting or sculpture... One day as she was lecturing us on Renaissance sculpture, with slides, she'd quickly click by any of the nudes; but a student interrupted her just after the instructor had quickly bypassed Michelangelo's David and made her go back to the slide; the student then told us how he'd spent the previous summer on an art scholarship in Italy and had seen the sculpture in person, and how they'd been shown at the museum that whomever Michelangelo had used as a model for the sculpture had a hernia, which is obvious when pointed out (on our right when viewing the statue, the statue's lower left side). This not only forced this flighty instructor who was strangely prudish to have to display the slide of the naked David for far much longer than she would have desired, it also made us specifically look at 'that nasty area'; the instructor got beet red and extremely flustered, and never fully recovered for the rest of the class.... June <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
