-Caveat Lector- It's funny how the real revisionists, such as Steven Morris, Ph.D., love to use the dubious term, "Deist" when describing the founding fathers, yet you rarely hear the term used anywhere else. Let's use a more accurate term, Freemasons. The elite were corrupt then, as they are now. However, the fact remains, that from the early 1600s up until the time of the founding fathers and beyond, the majority of Americans were Christians and even the Supreme Court declared that America is a Christian nation. Morris also conveniently leaves out the other founders who were Christians, and that they were the majority. It was the Christians who "smelled a rat" during the creation of the Constitution. And as we know now, they were right.
At 11:00 PM 2/21/02 , you wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >from - http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/march96/morris.html > >The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians >By Steven Morris, Ph.D. > >The Christian Right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States, as >part of their campaign to force their religion on others who ask merely to be >left alone. According to this Orwellian revision, the Founding Fathers of this >country were pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian >nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity. > >Not true! The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, >believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of >Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New Testaments. > >Thomas Paine, pamphleteer whose manifestoes encouraged the faltering spirits of >the country and aided materially in winning the War of Independence: "I do not >believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the >Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church >that I know of . . . Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and >for my own part, I disbelieve them all." [1] > >George Washington, first president: He seems to have had the characteristic >unconcern of the 18th century Deist for the forms and creeds of institutional >religion. Although he often referred to Providence as an impersonal force, >remote and abstract, he never declared himself to be a Christian according to >contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington >championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When >John Murray (a Universalist who denied the existence of Hell) was invited to >become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned for his dismissal. >Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washington >uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in >attendance. [2] > >John Adams, second president: Drawn to the study of law but facing pressure from >his father to become a clergyman, he wrote that he found among the lawyers "a >noble air and gallant achievements" but among the clergy, the "pretended >sanctity of some absolute dunces." [3] Late in life, he wrote, "As I understand >the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened >that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and >Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever >existed?" [4] > >It was during Adams' presidency that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and >Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the Government of the United States >of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." This treaty >with Tripoli was written and concluded by Joel Barlow during Washington's >administration. [2] > >Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence: >"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will >not die an Unitarian." [5] He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the >ravings of a maniac" [6] and wrote, "The Christian priesthood, finding the >doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need >explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might >build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit >everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to >profit, power and preeminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus >himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have >not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason >that nonsense can never be explained." [7] > >James Madison, fourth president and Father of the Constitution: Madison was not >religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates >the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." [8] "During almost fifteen >centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have >been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, >ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and >persecution." [9] > >Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green >Mountain boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of >Independence: "That Jesus Christ was not God is evident from his own words." In >the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the >reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian." [10] When >Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the Judge >asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of >God." Allen refused to answer until the Judge agreed that the God referred to >was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of Nature." >[11] > >Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional >Convention: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly >desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion . . . has received various >corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, >some Doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, >having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when >I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble." [12] He >died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of >his time, as a Deist, not a Christian. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Steven Morris received his Bachelor's Degree in astronomy from the University of >Toronto and his Ph.D from the University of Calgary. He held a research position >at UCLA for two years working on a seismology project, which included spending >one year at the South Pole running a seismometer. He has taught at the >University of Puerto Rico and now teaches physics and physical science at Los >Angeles Harbor College. He has published several astronomy research papers and >is an active member of the Los Angeles-based Atheists United. > >This article originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Footnotes > > 1. The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, p. 8, 9 (republished 1984, Prometheus >Books, Buffalo NY) > 2. George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., p. 16, 87, 88, 108, >113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas TX) > 3. The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, p. 17 (1976, North Carolina >Press, Chapel Hill NC) quoting letter by J.A. to Charles Cushing Oct. 19, 1756 > 4. The Great Quotations, ed. by George Seldes, (Citadel Press) quoting >letter by J.A. to F.A. Van der Kamp Dec. 27, 1816 > 5. Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., p. 311 (1991, >Madison Books, Lanham MD) quoting letter by T.J. to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse June >26, 1811 > 6. Thomas Jefferson, An Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W. >W. Norton & Co. Inc., New York NY) quoting letter by T.J. to Alexander Smyth >Jan. 17, 1825 > 7. Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., p. 246, quoting >letter by T.J. to John Adams July 5, 1814 > 8. The Madisons by Virginia Moore, p. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co., New York >NY) quoting letter by J.M. to William Bradford April 1, 1774 > 9. James Madison, A Biography in His Own Words, p. 93 quoting Memorial and >Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by J.M. June 1785. > 10. Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolf Koch, p. 40 (1968, >Thomas Crowell Co., New York NY) quoting preface and p. 352 of Reason, the Only >Oracle of Man by Ethan Allen 1784 > 11. Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., p. 103 (1985, >American Heritage Press Inc., New York NY) > 12. Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in His Own Words, edited by Thomas >Fleming, p. 404 (1972, Newsweek, New York NY) quoting letter by B.F. to Ezra >Stiles March 9, 1790 > ><A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >========== >CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic >screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! 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