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Calypso
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(4/14/02 6:17:09 pm)
Reply Lt Vreeland
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I notice the term 'lian charter' on your note. What does that mean?
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/14/02 7:16:51 pm)
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Community Supporter
Re: Lt Vreeland
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Sorry, it states " Lian Chemical " Malasia.
deoiler
Registered User
(4/14/02 9:06:14 pm)
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Lt Vreeland,
We are doing some research on the Russian Oil companies Sibir and Evikhon.
Can you tell us if there are any connections to US Oil companies that you are
aware of.
Thanks,
deoiler
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/15/02 4:26:20 am)
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Can't say specifically what companies, but will say most assuradle that it is
a very large part of the picture. I have been doing some oil research myself
lately, mostly in the bush and cheny oil arena....
deoiler
Registered User
(4/15/02 5:21:21 pm)
Reply The Oil Wars Part 2
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Lt Vreeland,
Here is some real information on the "War on Terrorism" currently being
conducted by the USA for Big Oil. We can understand your reluctance to
endanger the cutouts and "clean" agents, but surely you have no desire to
protect the criminals of the New World Order who are attempting to rearrange
the global economy by standing atop the bodybags of the innocent. As you can
see much of the info is already out on the internet. We need names of the
guilty parties.
Chechnya: More Blood for Oil
by Karen Talbot
Media analysts and U.S. officials have been nervously trying to assess the
"bewildering" policies of Russia’s Acting President Vladimir Putin,
especially his actions in Chechnya. As the Russian elections approach in
which Putin is favored to win the presidency, he increasingly is being dubbed
as a nationalist even though he claims to be defending the territorial
integrity and economic base of Russia in the face of escalating incursions on
the part of the U.S. and other western countries. That there are grounds for
these concerns on the part of the Russians is confirmed by numerous
statements and articles in the western press such as the following one by
William Pfaff: "The United States also is intervening in the Caspian region
to establish an American-dominated oil pipeline route across Azerbaijan and
Georgia, cutting out Russia, which is linked to a larger effort to displace
Russian influence in the Caucasus and Central Asia."1
Chechnya, the Caucasus, and Caspian Basin Oil
Nine years ago, the peoples of the 15 republics of the Soviet Union voted on
the question: Should the Soviet Union dissolve itself, so Russia, Ukraine,
Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and the other republics would
become independent countries? Boris Yeltsin, supported by the Bush
administration, championed such a breakup of the U.S.S.R. in an intense
year-long campaign across the country.
On March 17, 1991, 75 percent of the Soviet people voted overwhelmingly to
retain the U.S.S.R.; nevertheless, within nine months, the Soviet Union was
dissolved as Yeltsin took power.2
Now, those "independent" former republics of the U.S.S.R. are economically
and militarily dependent on the U.S., major countries of Western Europe, and
pro-western Arab states. Among these are Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan.
A tiny group of élites have become super-rich proxies for western
corporations while the vast majority of the people are indescribably poor.
These three republics are in the region of the Caspian Sea. Because the
Caspian Sea is landlocked, the oil and gas have had to be transported mainly
by pipeline. There is a major route through Chechnya and other parts of
Russia to Novorossiysk on the Black Sea. In fact, the largest network of
pipelines in the world had been built during the Soviet era, when the Soviet
Union was the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the world.3 Its
gas and oil fields, refineries and pipelines extended from western Siberia,
as well as from the Caspian Sea Basin, to the Black Sea, the Ukraine and the
Baltic and East European countries.4.
The U.S. wants the Caspian Sea under total U.S. domination. A consortium of
11 western oil companies now controls more than 50 percent of all oil
investments in the Caspian Basin—these include Atlantic Richfield, Chevron,
Exxon-Mobil, Pennzoil, Phillips Petroleum, Texaco, and British
Petroleum-Amoco.5 Therefore, Washington is pursuing other routes, some or all
of which ultimately may come to fruition. The intent is to bypass Russia, as
with a proposed pipeline through Turkey to the Mediterranean Sea—the
Baku-Ceyhan route.
So long as Chechnya has been kept broiling with conflict and war, the
pipeline through that region usually has remained non-operative. In early
August 1999, Shamil Basayev and other insurgents invaded Dagestan, located
between Chechnya and the Caspian Sea.6.
The Russian government expressed fears that this was part of a larger
conspiracy by the U.S. to detach the countries surrounding the Caspian Sea
from Russia.7.
Lewis Dolinsky, writing in the San Francisco Chronicle said: "The incursion
by Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev into neighboring Dagestan, where his
guerrillas seem to have little support, was an assault on the integrity of
Russia with the stated intention of carving out an Islamic state. In
addition, there are stories of ties to Osama bin Laden, Pakistani
intelligence, Islamists from several countries and the complicity of former
Soviet republics in the movement of arms and fighters into Russia."8.
The developments in the Caspian and Trans-Caucasus regions involve a
dangerous complex of hostilities fed by growing militarization. "Russia and
the U.S.-NATO alliance (and their proxies) may be inching ever closer to a
shooting war in Central Asia."9.
Georgia: Cozying Up to NATO.
"Georgia is...central to U.S. plans to exploit the oil and gas riches of the
Caspian basin."10.
At the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) summit in
Istanbul, November 18-19, Georgia signed several crucial agreements including
the Ankara Declaration supporting the building of the Baku-Ceyhan and
trans-Caspian pipelines. The proposed trans-Caspian pipelines will go beneath
the Caspian Sea from its eastern shore to Azerbaijan and connect with other
pipelines, bypassing Russia. Also at the OSCE summit, Russia and Georgia
issued a joint statement on the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE)
treaty setting terms for the complete withdrawal of Russian forces from
Moldova and Georgia.11.
Leading up to the elections in Georgia on October 31, 1999, the removal of
Russian bases was a key campaign promise. Georgian President Edouard
Shevardnadze asserted that Georgia would "knock on NATO’s door." Georgia’s
regime has accused Russia of using the Gudauta military base to supply the
Abkhazians who are engaged in a separatist struggle with Georgia.12 The
Abkhazi-Georgian conflict has received little attention in the U.S. media.
The CFE agreement signed in Istanbul spelled out cuts in Russian military
equipment in Georgia and called for the withdrawal of the military bases at
Vaziani and Gudauta and the tank maintenance plant in Tbilisi by December 31,
2000. OSCE member countries will provide financial assistance for the
program.13
The U.S. Congress was urged to increase financing to Georgia over the next
2-3 years to ensure "Georgia’s political and military integration into NATO
and Western structures as soon as possible."14
All of this exacerbated the already strained relations between Russia and
Georgia. The Russian media expressed outrage that Georgia and Azerbaijan were
aiding terrorists in Chechnya. But as we will see things shifted, at least
temporarily, following Putin’s leadership in the subsequent CIS meeting.
Trans-Balkan Pipeline
Following the OSCE Summit, however, the U.S. began reviving its plan to help
finance a trans-Balkan oil pipeline going through Bulgaria, Macedonia, and
Albania, thus bypassing Turkey and delaying preparations for the Baku-Ceyhan
route. Completion of this pipeline would consolidate U.S. influence in the
Balkans while simultaneously avoiding the greater expenses tied to the
proposed oil pipeline through Turkey. 15
Interest in the trans-Balkan project was renewed in a meeting, January 12, of
international oil investors, U.S. Eximbank, the European Bank for
Reconstruction and Development, the World Bank and the U.S.-based
Albanian-Macedonian-Bulgarian Oil Company (AMBO).16 The trans-Balkan pipeline
is expected to cost only $825 million.17 It would enable Central Asian and
Caucasian oil to be transported by tanker across the Black Sea, and then to
Western Europe, and would avoid not only Russia, but also the environmental
complications of transporting oil through Turkey’s Bosporus Strait.18
This strategy may hinder the U.S. in its relations with its NATO ally,
Turkey, particularly because it has relied on Turkey to extend U.S. military
and political interests in former Yugoslavia and the Caucasus, including in
Georgia. With Georgia in confrontation with Russia over the war in Chechnya,
the U.S. may want to count on Turkey to intervene. Turkish President Suliman
Demirel met with Georgian President Edouard Shevardnadze on January 14, "to
guarantee that Georgia’s loyalties lie with the West" in advance of the
mid-January Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) summit in Moscow under
the leadership of then Acting President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.19
Meanwhile, the Clinton administration has yet to place any financial
resources behind the Baku-Ceyhan route,20 though it certainly has not been
abandoned as one of the several proposed pipeline routes.
CIS Military Exercises
In the tug-of-war for Georgia’s loyalties, and those of other states of the
region, Russia gained the upper hand, at least temporarily, as a consequence
of the CIS summit meeting, January 24 and 25. At that meeting, Russian Acting
President Vladimir Putin was rumored to have held separate meetings with
Georgian President Edouard Shevardnadze over increasing tensions stemming
from Georgia’s forging of closer ties with the West and its suspected aid to
rebels fighting Russian troops in Chechnya. The Summit produced measures to
tighten security and to combat terrorism, Islamic fundamentalism, arms trade
and drug trafficking. ITAR-Tass reported that the purpose was to crack down
on paramilitary activity along the borders of the three nations.21
As a result, joint military exercises were held in the days immediately
following the CIS meeting, "covering the entire Caucasus, including the
Russian republics bordering Georgia and Azerbaijan—Dagestan, Chechnya,
Ingushetia, North Ossetia, Kabardino Balkaria, Karachayevo-Cherkessia and the
Krasnodar region—as well as the Stavropol territory."22
The decision to host those military drills was a turnaround for Uzbekistan.
In March 1999, Uzbekistan’s military had withdrawn from the CIS Collective
Security Pact and the Uzbek military has often trained with direct U.S.
assistance.23
The CIS Summit marked a shift in the stance particularly of Georgia and
Uzbekistan regarding Russia. Other CIS states including Belarus, Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia, have maintained fairly strong ties with
Russia.24
The West Retaliates
Responding to these recent diplomatic gains by Russia, high-level delegations
were dispatched "to entice much of Central Europe to join the western fold."
The delegations—which visited Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and
Moldova—included European Commission President Romano Prodi, the NATO
Secretary-General, and NATO’s supreme commander. But most significantly, NATO
also sent a delegation to Georgia February 9, "to further prepare Georgia for
cooperation with NATO’s Partnership for Peace Program." A U.S. delegation
began visits on February 7.25
Romano Prodi issued a statement in Latvia, February 10, signaling a major
policy change for the European Union from the purely economic to the security
realm. Prodi essentially announced de facto NATO expansion under the guise of
EU security guarantees.26
The statement made it clear that there are plans "to integrate NATO into the
EU." If the EU fully adopts Prodi’s plans, it would involve fully absorbing
all of Eastern Europe—including the Baltics—into the EU. An economically
powerful EU, backed by a militarily powerful NATO, would become entrenched
along vast lengths of Russia’s eastern border.27
IMF Funds Delayed
In December, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) announced it would
continue to delay a $640 million loan payment to Russia. Senior Clinton
administration officials acknowledged that Moscow’s campaign against Chechnya
influenced the decision.28 In Moscow, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry
said: "The language of economic sanctions and diktat is unacceptable, all the
more so when it concerns the issue of Russia’s territorial integrity."29
In a clear attempt to assuage Russia’s growing concerns on all these fronts,
and to regain its diminishing dominance over Russia, NATO Secretary-General
Lord George Robertson also traveled to Moscow to hold talks with Acting
President Putin, a meeting initiated by Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov
last December. The session took two months of negotiation to prepare. Moscow
had raised disagreements over the agenda and it looked as if the meeting
would not take place at all.30 Significantly, these talks also were held one
month before the Russian presidential election.
NATO Strengthens Ties with Ukraine
In a demonstration of how lightning fast events are moving, NATO’s
decision-making body—the North Atlantic Council—met in Kiev, Ukraine, March
1-2, after being hurriedly organized. This was seen as "a direct challenge to
the Putin government’s assertive new foreign policy."31 Furthermore, it is
likely these actions partly were aimed at trying to pressure Putin and the
Russian electorate on the eve of the March 26 elections.
Ukraine is viewed as the most strategically important nation on the periphery
of Russia. It is economically dependent on Russia but continues to be pushed
closer to the West.
Indicative of the deepening military ties between NATO and Ukraine are new
plans for naval exercises in the Black Sea—NATO’s Cooperative Partner 2000—to
be held June 19-30. (See sidebar: "U.S.-NATO Military Operations in the
Caspian Basin.").
The vast network of oil and gas pipelines, built during the Soviet era,
include routes through Ukraine to Eastern Europe. So Ukraine is another
potentially vital country for the transshipment of oil and gas into Europe.
Many Wars The Caucasus:
Azerbaijan: The oil state of Azerbaijan, on the west shore of the Caspian
Sea, is the source of tremendous oil reserves. In order to transport the
petroleum to market it must use currently existing pipelines: one running
through Georgia to Supsa, which has limited capacity, and another traversing
Russia through Chechnya to Novorossiysk. The Azerbaijani leaders along with
the western oil companies are going ahead with plans to construct a pipeline
through Turkey to Ceyhan, but the expense of that project is causing delays.
In order to by-pass Russia, the other alternative is to go through Iran. (The
recent parliamentary elections in Iran and the victory of pro-western
candidates there may have a major impact on the future of such a pipeline.
Meanwhile the conflict continues with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, an
enclave within Azerbaijan currently occupied by Armenian militias with Russia
supplying arms to Armenia. On June 17, the Azerbaijani Minister of Defense
Safar Abijev asked that "NATO be involved in solving the conflict." Earlier,
Azerbaijani spokesmen had floated the idea of a NATO military base in
Azerbaijan. They also have held maneuvers in the framework of NATO’s
"Partnership for Peace."32
Dagestan: Since the transport of petroleum through Chechnya had been
interrupted by the conflict, Russia had been planning an alternative pipeline
through Dagestan. But after Basayev invaded Dagestan last August and
September, these plans were temporarily thwarted.33
Karachay-Cherkess: Chechnya could also be bypassed to the west by means of a
pipeline through the Russian region of Karachay-Cherkess. It clearly is no
coincidence that a separatist movement is also flaring up there. On August
27, there was a major confrontation by separatists demanding that
Karachay-Cherkess secede from Russia.
According to the historian Rachid Khatuev, the first aim of such a secession
is to control the Baku-Novorossiysk pipeline. The Cherkess have a large
diaspora abroad, especially in Turkey, where they have considerable
influence.34
Armenia: Armenia is strategically significant in the shipment of oil and gas
from the Caspian Sea.
In speeches before the summit of the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), November 18-19, 1999, both Azerbaijani
President Haidar Aliyev and Armenian President Robert Kocharian called for
the creation of a security pact in the South Caucasus, involving Armenia,
Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Russia and the U.S.35
Until now, Armenia has been Russia’s greatest ally in the region. But this
pact would require the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia, undermining
that long-existing alliance. Instead, Armenia would be in the camp of its
traditional enemies, including Turkey.
Countries of Central Asia:
Kazakhstan: Kazakhstan is a huge country bordering on the Eastern shore of
the Caspian Sea. It too has vast petroleum resources. A substantial portion
of the oil reserves are in the Tengiz oil fields in the Caspian Basin.
Western oil companies are heavily involved in Kazakhstan, as in Azerbaijan.
However, the only way to transport the petroleum to market is through
existing pipelines in Russia, especially the pipeline that crosses Chechnya
and terminates at the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk. There is feverish
activity to construct an underwater pipeline beneath the Caspian Sea which
would make it possible to bypass Russia. The major obstacle to this is a
treaty requirement that all five littoral states of the Caspian Sea must
agree to such a project. That includes Russia and Iran. Serious disputes are
raging among the countries bordering on the Caspian over control of the
proposed pipelines and the off-shore oil and gas wealth. U.S. officials have
been urging that the legalities regarding the Caspian Sea be disregarded in
order to move forward with the trans-Caspian pipeline.36
Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev recently warned that drugs, terrorism
and scarce water resources are the main threats to stability in Central
Asia.37
Turkmenistan: Though its oil reserves are not on the scale of Kazakhstan,
Turkmenistan—in Central Asia, east of the Caspian—is actively exploring and
developing what reserves do exist. It does, however, have significant gas
reserves. Consequently, there are plans to construct a trans-Caspian gas
pipeline which would terminate in Turkey. Since the country borders on the
Caspian Sea it is involved in the bitter ongoing dispute with the other
littoral states about how to divide up the riches of the sea.
China has invested heavily to help Turkmenistan with exploration, drilling
and construction of refineries. Because it will face oil shortages in the
coming decades, China is looking toward the Caspian Basin to help satisfy its
energy needs.38
Tajikistan: Tajikistan is made up of many minorities, cultures, clans, and
languages, with Tajiks constituting only 65 percent of the population. Since
the breakup of the U.S.S.R., the country has suffered from severe economic
problems—including a devastating 60 percent drop in GDP, which fuels
conflict. In 1992, the Islamic Party of the Resurrection seized power. They
were supported from Iran, where the same language, Farsi, is spoken. Later,
Kolkhoz farmers rose in armed revolt and brought President Emomali Rakhmonov
to power in November 1992, and the Islamic opposition fled to Afghanistan.
They returned later, "now sponsored by Pakistan, in neat American uniforms,
with Stingers, night vision equipment, Motorola radio stations, and jeeps."39
A bloody civil war followed, causing 200,000 casualties and 500,000 refugees.
In June 1997, Rakhmonov conceded one-third of the ministerial offices to the
Muslim opposition under a peace treaty which created a coalition government
of opposing forces. Rakhmonov again won the presidency in recent elections,
part of a three-year-old peace process. Renewed fighting is already erupting.
Many of the Islamic fundamentalist factions are backed by forces in
Afghanistan and Uzbekistan both of which border on Tajikistan. This border is
a major crossing point for Afghan heroin and other contraband. Assassinations
and kidnapings are escalating, therefore Rakhmonov requested that Russia
reinforce the Russian-led 201st motorized rifle division—a 15,000 to
20,000-strong force.40
Kyrghyzstan: Kyrghyzstan, which borders on China, has not escaped the
conflicts fomented in Central Asia. In August 1999, the Uzbek warlord, Juma
Namangan, invaded Kyrghyzstan from Tajikistan with 2,000 men. The scenario
was identical to Basayev’s invasion of Dagestan. Earlier, Namangan had fought
with Islamic rebels in Tajikistan, and then had engaged the Taliban in
Afghanistan. His forces consist of Tajik, Afghans, Arabs, and Uzbeks.41
Uzbekistan: Uzbekistan lies west of Kirghizistan in Central Asia. As
mentioned above, the Fergana Valley which runs through Uzbekistan promises to
be the location of increasing conflicts fomented by the same forces as in
other Central Asian countries. Under NATO’s Partnership for Peace program,
Uzbek soldiers have trained with U.S. paratroopers in the Fergana Valley and
even larger NATO-sponsored military maneuvers have been held with Uzbekistan.
Afghanistan: From 1979 until 1989, a war raged between Soviet troops allied
with Afghan government forces against Islamic fundamentalist factions. The
fundamentalist fighters were armed by the CIA with Stinger missiles in the
largest covert operation in history, additionally financed by the Saudis and
Osama Bin Laden. However, after having dislodged the Soviet army, the U.S.
and Saudi Arabia supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist Muslim organization
operating from Pakistan. In October 1996, the Taliban captured the capital
Kabul and later advanced on the north where they now threaten the neighboring
countries of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.42
U.S. Role in Central Asia
"Stability is already a thing of the past in the Fergana Valley" (extending
through Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan—Central Asia’s largest
population center), observed Barnett R. Rubin of the Council of Foreign
Relations.
He stated in an interview quoted on the Soros Institute web site:
[T]he international community, and the U.S. in particular, are already
engaged in Central Asia and the Fergana Valley, looking for oil and gas,
planning pipeline routes, pressuring governments on their economic policies,
trying to establish a security structure, trying to cooperate with or
displace Russia in many fields including the military one, and so on....
Rubin said that the region from Central Asia through Afghanistan and Pakistan
could become "a zone of perpetual violence and conflict like the Great Lakes
region of Central Africa, with several ongoing wars that keep spreading....
And in this region there are also nuclear weapons and materials, unlike in
Central and East Africa. So the threat...is very serious."43
Alliances "Group of Three"
In response to the offensive aimed at surrounding and breaking up Russia from
the south, new alliances are being delineated. The "Three" (China, Russia,
and India) are building an alliance to counter the Group of Seven (G7) (the
seven richest countries of NATO). China clearly perceives that if the West
succeeds in carving up Russia, it will become the next target. Among the
Uigur population of western China, separatism is being stirred up based on
the demand for an "independent and Islamic" state of Turkestan in Central
Asia. This secession movement is following the lead of Taiwan and Tibet.
China’s growing dependence on imported oil is also leading to stronger ties
with Russia.
Meanwhile, India is fighting a war with Pakistan over Kashmir. (See related
article on Kashmir.)
Allies of "The Three"
On August 25, the fifth summit of the "Group of Shanghai" took place in
Kirghyzstan. It comprised the presidents of China, Russia, Kazakhstan,
Kirghistan, and Tajikistan. Their agenda included the question of terrorism
in their respective countries. They expressed objection to using "the pretext
of human rights to intervene in the internal affairs of other countries" and
pleaded the cause of a "multipolar world." This was a clear challenge to a
world dominated by the U.S. and NATO. The alliance has led to the sale of
Russian C-30 jet-fighters to China.44
Group of Seven
The G7 countries are seeking to strengthen support for their offensive in the
region. Key to this are Turkey (with Georgia and Azerbaijan in its sphere of
influence), Afghanistan and Pakistan (which are bases for the Muslim
fundamentalist warlords whose goal is to "chase the Russians from the
Caucasus"), and the Chechen separatists.45
Footnotes
The author wishes to thank Jef Bossuyt for his contributions to the sections
of this article dealing with individual countries of the area.
1. “Nothing Very Romantic About Putin’s Russian Nationalism,” International
Herald Tribune, Feb. 28, 2000.
2. David Remnick, “Soviets Vote on Future of Union,” Washington Post, Mar.
18, 1991, p. A1.
3. Brian Becker, “New ‘freedom’ to exploit: The link between Chechnya war and
Caspian oil,” Workers World, Dec. 2, 1999.
4. International Petroleum Encyclopedia, 1999.
5. Steve Levine, “U.S. Seeks to End Russian Domination of the Caspian,” New
York Times, Nov. 20, 1999.
6. Becker, op. cit., n. 3.
7. “Russia says U.S. wants to oust it from Caucasus,” Reuters, Nov. 12, 1999.
8. Lewis Dolinsky, “In Chechnya, This Time It’s for Keeps,” Notes from Here
and There, San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 24, 1999.
9. Jan S. Adams, Director Emerita of International Studies, Ohio State
University, “The U.S.-Russian Face-off in the Caspian Basin, Problems of
Post-Communism (Washington, D.C.), Jan.-Feb. 2000.
10. Ian Traynor, “Neighbors fear that, after Chechnya, they are next,” The
Guardian (London), Feb. 28, 2000.
11. Tony Abdo, Institute of War and Peace Reporting, Jan. 9, 2000.
12. Ibid.
13. Ibid.
14. Jim Nichols, “Georgia: Current Developments and U.S. Interests,”
Congressional Research Service, updated Jan. 27, 2000.
15. “Trans-Balkan Pipeline complicates U.S.-Turkey Relations,” Stratfor.Com,
Global Intelligence Update, Nov. 24, 1999.
16. Ibid.
17. Ibid.
18. Karen Talbot, “Backing up Globalization with Military Might,”
CovertAction Quarterly, Fall/Winter 1999.
19. Global Intelligence Update, op. cit. 16.
20. Ibid.
21. Quoted in Vladimir Isachenkov, “Putin Meets Leaders of Ex-Republics,”
Associated Press, Jan. 25, 2000.
22. “CIS States Give in to Moscow,” Stratfor.Com, Global Intelligence Update,
Jan. 26, 2000.
23. Ibid.
24. Ibid.
25. “Diplomatic Blitzkrieg: The West Responds to Russia’s Assertiveness,”
Stratfor.Com, Global Intelligence Update, Feb. 11, 2000.
26. Ibid.
27. Ibid.
28. Celestine Bohlen, “Russia Reacts Angrily Over Western Criticism on
Chechnya,” New York Times, Dec. 8, 1999.
29. Ibid.
30. Douglas Hamilton, “Robertson hails revival of NATO-Russia ties,” Reuters,
Feb. 15, 2000.
31. Op. cit., n. 25.
32. Jef Bossuyt, Solidaire (Belgium), Oct. 13, 1999.
33. Ibid.
34. Ibid.
35. Stratfor.Com, Global Intelligence Update, op. cit., n. 22.
36. Talbot, op. cit., n. 18.
37. “Drugs, terrorism, water threaten C. Asia-Nazarbayev,” Reuters, Feb. 25,
2000.
38. Talbot, op. cit., n. 18.
39. Op. cit., n. 32.
40. “Looming Crisis in the Heart of Asia,” Stratfor.Com, Global Intelligence
Update, Mar. 8, 2000.
41. Op. cit., n. 32.
42. Ibid.
43. An interview with Barnett R. Rubin, Director of the Center for Preventive
Action, Council on Foreign Relations, New York, from a conference on “Western
Assistance to the Military in the Caspian Basin: Strategy and Consequences,”
Washington, D.C., Nov. 23, 1999, quoted on the Soros Foundation web site.
44. Op. cit., n. 32.
45. Ibid.
Chechnya: More Blood for Oil
Edited by: deoiler at: 4/15/02 5:34:30 pm
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/16/02 6:59:35 am)
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Your are correct, I have no intention of letting wrong doers get away with
anything. I have people in Washington right this minute, in meetings with
some very serious people, and am trying to see that a specific Congresswoman
has the last Laugh on the Subject she is working on.
I can't tell all on the site but I can assure you these people will not get
away with anything. I stake my life on this, if I have to die for the masses
so be it, but the masses sure as you are breathing will not be lead into more
war nor be killed off in any fashion if I can help it.
I hate these people alot more then you may think, I am going to do to them
what they have done to me and others and if they come after me, which they
will, so be it, but it will be to late for them by then anyway.
Calypso
Registered User
(4/16/02 11:10:20 am)
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Lt Vreeland,
Thanks for the clarification of 'lian charter'. It is strange. If you google
"lian charter" there is only one reference. Check it out. Don't have a clue,
but look at the play on 'bin'and vladivostok.
Another question:
Is 'brown recluse' about the spider?
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/16/02 12:21:15 pm)
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Brown Recluse.
It is mentioned as is is maybe being harnessed as a bio weapon.
Get enough of the venom into water systems and the effects are internal and
un stoppable. That is about all I can say regarding this issue. There is more
but I can only go so far.
GOOD QUESTION,
Calypso
Registered User
(4/16/02 3:34:08 pm)
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Must corroborate.
Def: Brown recluse is Loxosceles reclusa, a poisonous spider that is native
to the US midwest.)
Search: "On a google check of "Brown Recluse"+ CIA found:
First, it seems that the bite of the Brown Recluse spider causes lesions that
are difficult to distinguish from the damage caused by cutaneous anthrax.
www.orthomed.com/anthrax.htm. Add "anthrax" to above google search for report
on baby's death from spider bite confused as anthrax.
Second, one of the world's foremost experts on the Brown Recluse spider (and
venom research) Darwin Vest, vanished without trace or explanation on 3rd
June 1999. hobospider.org/
My Note: Possible: Anthrax and 'brown recluse' are connected, possible future
knowledge of anthrax attacks.
Thoughts: brown recluse possibly used to eliminate selectively while making
it appear as general anthrax threat to throw off investigators. Some may have
been killed with anthrax, others by brown recluse. Brown recluse is easily
contained, easier to work with. Reduces need for sophisticated lab. Reduces
risk of 'collateral damage'.
Request: Check for brown recluse symptoms, and variation between victims, in
autopsy reports of deceased, lesions, etc. Some may have been killed with
anthrax, others by brown recluse. Mr. Vreelands lawyers with power of
attorney to subpoena autopsy as in Bastien.
Reminder: Keep networking information, report findings to multiple sources,
official and unofficial, in state and out of state. Report all suspicious
activities (surveillance, 'new friends') to local authorities. Cover your
Ass!
Spread this information around as much as possible.
Referance to term: "Lian Charter".
I googled it once and my computer went off line I tried again and got a
message embedded in a company advertisement?
... have the clout to compel negotiation. randy depends on if the lian
charter has bin
in vladivostok latelly.
Check it out, there is only one referance to the phrase ''Lian Charter" and
Vladivostok is also on the note. Note play on words 'bin' and 'been'
Vreeland states this is not what the note says; it is 'Lian Chemical' in
Malaisia.
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/16/02 5:50:07 pm)
Reply i'm not the only one being booted off line?
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Edited by: Princess Kimberley at: 4/18/02 10:59:06 am
gunnarj
Registered User
(4/16/02 6:23:50 pm)
Reply bad handwriting
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Princess,
Lt. Vreeland's handwriting is perfection in comparison with yours.
me.
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/16/02 6:32:14 pm)
Reply :)
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Edited by: Princess Kimberley at: 4/18/02 12:18:45 pm
Calypso
Registered User
(4/16/02 7:41:58 pm)
Reply Re: ah ha...
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...I have pretty handwriting...
May I add modesty to your princessly attributes as well Princess K?
Edited by: Calypso at: 4/16/02 7:45:32 pm
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/16/02 8:02:16 pm)
Reply
Community Supporter
Re: ah ha...
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NOTICE TO ALL
BEWARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT INFLATE THER EGO OF KIMMY
Princess Kimberley
Unregistered User
(4/17/02 8:19:22 am)
Reply $3000 for a decorated christmas tree???
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How do you spend $3k on a christmas tree?
...i'm reading news from april 2000...now that's a serious Christopher Radko
addiction!
i did manage to find the toronto star article...
www.torontostar.com/NASAp...3791935801
ok, that's one article NOT on rense or the smirking chimp or a boy and his
monkey...conspiracy theory sites...
ok, i made up a boy and his monkey I'm curious to see what the G-man has to
say about this...love the G-man!
ewing2000
Registered User
(4/17/02 2:32:42 pm)
Reply about "your" letter
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Hey "Vreeland",
i like the idea of your forum, even if it's in a satire way.
I try to be more investigative and politic in the meantime,
but for sure i support humour , too
I deciphered more of "your" letter.
I sent my article already to Ruppert and hope i get a "real answer" out of
this context soon too. He responded already.
But maybe "you" have an opinion about that too
More at the 911-forum at www.ourDNA.org
Here's my article:
>From Vreeland back to Oil ?
-Just a planted name on purpose, more oil-conspiracy or another nice
political metaphor in the endless diplomacy on the russian-middle east
agenda?
by ewing2001
So we did finally come back to Edward Vreeland II, who just gave an interview
to Mike Ruppert (copvcia.com) and explained how he did come to his warning
letter about an attack on america, which he sent from a prison of Canada a
few days before Sep11th.
To be released on bail or to really tell the truth?
Maybe it's once again time to analyse his letter, which indeed contains some
nice names and significant "targets", the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
plus the obscure order "let one happen and stop the rest".
Is this maybe the reason, that one plane crashed and another one changed his
route and finally hit in an artistic maneouvre a more unimportant wing of the
Pentagon?
If you carefully analyse the other handwritings on Vreelands "warning" you w
ill find right next to the section "money" maybe two other interesting notes:
ulista petrovka and Chalva Tchigirinski.
-Ulista Petrovka-
While "ulista petrovka" is an adress in moscow, on which the Marriott Royal
Hotel is located, Chalva Tchigirinksi is one of the main directors of Sibir
Energy plc, which has its moscow office a few streets away on 5 Nikitsky.
( www.sibirenergy.com/corporate/directory/ )
Mr. Tchigirinski, age 51, is the representative of the largest shareholder in
Sibir. In this capacity he is a Director of Yugraneft, a Director of both
Evikhon and Salym Petroleum Development NV. He is also President of both
Moscow Oil Company and Central Fuel Company (which controls the Moscow
refinery) neither of which are in competition with Sibir. His interests in
the sector include a key role in British Petroleum’s impressive fuel retail
network in Moscow.
Sibir Energy, is a UK independent oil and gas production company that
produces about 3 million barrels of oil annually and has development plans
for oilfields with reserves of almost a billion barrels of oil.
Sibir Energy plc was formed in 1996 by its parent, Pentex Energy plc, a UK
independent oil and gas company.
They focus on Russia, Sibir today has 99% of its reserves and 72% of its
crude oil production coming from the oil-rich Khanty Mansiysk Region of
Russian Western Siberia; the remainder of its reserves and production coming
from its UK assets.
Founded in 1996 with the specific aim of acquiring substantial and
inexpensive reserves of Russian oil in the ground, Sibir had amassed 2.2
billion barrels of recoverable oil by the beginning of 2001.
Among the directors of Sibir are also Tchigirinskis brother Alexander, Mr.
Alexander Betsky (three years of accounting and audit experience with Ernst &
Young), Urs J. Haener, Non-Executive Director (and former President and CEO
of Credit Suisse-Moscow), Henry O. Cameron, William L. S. Guinness and a few
others.
And because we live in the post-ENRON age it's maybe important to mention
that Sibirs auditor is Ernst & Young, a nice connection.
But the story of Sibir Energy and Chalva (T)chigirinski, a a real-estate
developer, who also owns 51% of the company,
(source: www.oil-barrel.com/archiv...121201.htm )
is maybe even more interesting:
Last December, a few weeks after the very helpful opening of a new pipeline
in Uzbekistan, they tried to to merge with the Central Fuel Company that owns
a refinery and a big retail network in Moscow region.
They also announced that they has acquired a further 20 per cent stake in
Yugraneft from Gazprom.
If you look on the structure of Sibir, you will recognise their big political
and business influence in that area.
But as we know from the history of the last 4 years, it wasn't always that
easy.
A lot of business deals had to be done with russian companies.
In June 2000 Sibir completed the acquisition of an additional 62% of Russian
oil and gas producing company Evikhon and the first 23.551% from Yugraneft.
In November 2000 Sibir announced an agreement with Sibneft, a major Russian
integrated oil and gas company, for the establishment of a joint venture to
develop the Yugraneft oil fields.
(Source: www.sibirenergy.com/corporate/history/ )
Last August 2001, President Vladimir Putin was still discussing in detail
prospects for implementing the Caspian pipeline consortium project.
(Source: english.pravda.ru/cis/200...11637.html )
Only a few months later almost everything looked better.
Sibir is still cooperating with Evikhon.
Evikhon already had in place a 50:50 joint venture with Shell Salym
Development, a member of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group, to develop the Salym
oil fields, the terms of which included 100% financing by Shell.
And Sibneft, in an joint venture with Sibir Energy, hooked up only a few
weeks ago with Halliburton:
www.gasandoil.com/goc/com...r21067.htm
Wednesday, March 06, 2002
"...Sibneft announced that it has signed a framework agreement for
Halliburton to provide oil field services.
Sibneft already works with service companies Schlumberger, BJ Services and
Pride Forasol. With the addition of Halliburton, Sibneft will be able to
encourage competition for projects among the service companies, pushing down
costs as it explores and develops fields in Siberia and the Far East...
...Halliburton only came into the Russian spotlight in 1999, when it was
chosen as a contractor for Tyumen Oil's Samotlor field as part of a
controversial US Export-Import Bank loan deal. But Halliburton has prospered
in Russia and the Caspian region over the past 10 years with the backing of
US Vice President Dick Cheney, who lobbied strongly for lucrative projects
when he was Halliburton CEO from 1995 to 2000..."
Halliburton is also still a big contructor of UNOCAL, who already worked very
hard to work on the "middle section" between Uzbekistan and Pakistan a few
years ago.
While in russia in 1998 Turkmenistan worked very hard on a pipeline from its
southern natural gas field of Korpedzhe to Kurt Koy in northern Iran,
(www.rferl.org/nca/feature...31540.html )
UNOCAL tried the same in negotiations with the Taliban with a lot of
diplomatic support by the US government and many people argue, also secret
deals with opium trade.
But UNOCAL had to give up its plans in 1998 to build this pipeline.
In Turkmenistan other problems existed with former Russian gas monopoly
Gazprom.
For years in the mid90s they blocked the route to Turkmen exports outside of
the former Soviet Union. .
But two years later in October 2000 the situation was totally different.
Other countries, like Ukraine made new pressure:
Prague, 5 October 2000
www.rferl.org/nca/feature...190034.asp
"..Ukraine also agreed to pay the Russian pipeline operator, Itera Group, for
transporting the gas across Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Russia..."
..Through Itera, Russian interests have once again played a critical role in
talks about Turkmen gas exports.."
But both Russian gas monopoly Gazprom and Itera remained in a strong
negotiating position with Ukraine and Turkmenistan.
And then China and the United States came into the boat:
"...One proposal, backed by Chinese president Jiang Zemin, calls for the
construction of a $15 billion gas pipeline to China.."
Already in June 2000 PSG International, a U.S. partner in the consortium was
created to develop the Trans-Caspian Pipeline.
Chief of this consortium was Edward Smith, president and CEO, who organised a
joint venture pipeline development company between General Electric and
Bechtel.
A lot of money was to earn. But it should have been much more, if the
disturbing Taliban in Afghanistan wouldn't be around and all pipelines could
be build through afghanistan to Pakistan.
The pressure on the Taliban got stronger.
In these days the Pentagon planned a war, the coutdown should be finished
until October 2001.
This was confirmed by Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, who
was told by senior American officials in mid-July2001 that military action
against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. (Source: BBC,
George Arney).
What the Pentagon and CIA officially claimed not have known before, was a
helpful attack on the World Trade Center and another plane which crashed in
artistic circles and without leaving any debris into a fresh renovated wing
of the Pentagon on September 11th 2001.
Therefore now they had enough reasons to start this war.
And with another coincidence, a few days after one commander of the Northern
Alliance had been killed and on the same day, when the former chief of
Pakistans Secret Service resigned, the war started indeed on October 6th.
But all for a sudden, it was not a war about oil or drugs anymore, but on
"terrorism".
The members of the Transcaspian gas pipeline however had been happy.
Same to PSG International, who became
the leader of the Transcaspian gas pipeline project consortium in February
1999.
(Source: www.eurasianet.org/resour.../0025.html )
Later, the consortium was joined by the British-Dutch Shell company which
took over
50 per cent sponsorship of the project,as well as responsibility for
providing the pipeline with Turkmen raw gas.
Only one year ago, the socialist paper "Wsws" speculated,
that "oil and gas pipelines to China from Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan could
be extended to link into the pipeline networks of both Russia and Iran".
( Source: www.wsws.org/articles/200...-j03.shtml
While Iran in the meantime was put on a list of "axis of evil" (obviously it
didn't worked out yet), China jumped on the WTO-member list only 48 hours
after the attack on america.
UNOCAL probably still has to wait a while to finish their plans.
But one of their former advisors, Zalmay Khalilzad, also a senior strategist
at Rand, is already a key National Security Council adviser on Afghanistan
since December 2001.
And french paper LeMonde claimed, that Hamid Karzai, Interim Leader of
Afghanistan worked for UNOCAL, too, but as a consultant.
This however seems to be based on wrong informations and wasn't confirmed
again.
UNOCAL, already a global player in the energy trade, could win a lot.
Total gas reserves in afghanistan could be 576 trillion cubic feet.
(www.guardian.co.uk/waront...01,00.html )
But Another global player of some years ago had less luck so far.
Only three years ago, Gazprom, Russians monopoly was negotiating intensively
with Western banks to finance its Blue Stream project, a gas pipeline across
the Black Sea.
Then in the same month, the trans-Caspian consortium came and Yosef Maiman,
president of Merhav Group (Israel), Turkmenistan's official negotiator for
its gas pipeline, already speculated, that the consortium members will likely
be selected from among the six companies that have been compet-ing for the
lead role:
Enron, Conoco, Halliburton, UNOCAL (all US), PSG International Ltd. (a
UK-based con-sortium of US companies General Electric and Bechtel), and Shell
(UK/The Netherlands).
We know the story of ENRON and the others, but what happened with Gazprom?
It's shocking:
In the meantime many oil journalists speculate, that it will turn into
"russians ENRON".
And while the ENRON/ArthurAndersen-story was connected
by investigative BBC journalist Greg Palast as one of the main sponsors of
the manipulated election of President George Bush, there is indeed a similar
strange element in the Gazprom story.
A few weeks ago the Energy News Portal Gas+Oil wrote in their issue from
March 06, 2002:
"...As financial scandals go, this one has everything. A Big Five accounting
firm accused of overlooking wildly improper deals in its probes of a client's
books. A client that's one of the country's biggest energy firms, and yet is
now a symbol for the evils of crony capitalism. The amounts involved?
Billions and billions. There's more: Leaked documents, infuriated
shareholders, threatened lawsuits. Even the President of the country is
angry...:"
(Source: www.gasandoil.com/goc/com...r21050.htm )
So who is the auditor?
It's not Andersen, but PricewaterhouseCoopers, the world's largest accounting
firm, who also just signed a new CEO, Samuel A. DiPiazza, on January 1st
2002.
Not that it matters. But DiPiazza is an old frat and contributor of the Beta
Alpha Psi Society, which seems also to like Ernst + Young and even put
ArthurAndersen on their link list at www2.uic.edu/stud_orgs/pr...links.html
"...PwC has been signing off on Gazprom's books since 1996, and fed-up
shareholders say it is high time to give the job to someone else.."
PwC, with over 150,000 people in more than 150 countries incl. Cayman Islands
(wasn't that the island with its strange radio station prior knowledge of
911?),
will probably get not much problems.
Maybe even not Gazprom.
But what is the current role of Sibir Energy and what has Chalva Tchigirinski
has to do with an "attack on america" and why did his name appear on this
letter by Delmant Vreeland, a former lieutenant in a U.S. Navy intelligence?
Maybe we should just ask Tchigirinski or Vreeland?
But we forgot. These are only elements of a conspiracy story, a tinfoil
farrytail and it's under classified national security anyway.
At least business can continue.
Sibir Energy will start their first phase of development of the Upper Salym
oil field in russia.
(www.rigzone.com/news/arti...?a_id=2163 , Monday, December 10, 2001 )
And for everyone who can read maps, Russia, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan has
nothing to do with Afghanistan.Because these cute pipelines are not on
regular maps.
But we can find them on many other sources.
So why bother?
Pakistan and Afghanistan do:
In February 2002, "..Pakistani President, Gen Pervez Musharraf, and the
Afghan interim leader, Mr Hamid Karzai, agreed ... that their two countries
should develop "mutual brotherly relations" and co-operate "in all spheres of
activity" - including a proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan
via Afghanistan.
"We have agreed unanimously ... on working together to develop strong bro
therly co-operation, brotherly relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan in
all spheres of activity," Gen Musharraf said after their talks..."
(Source: www.ireland.com/newspaper...ARZAI.html )
So maybe Tchigirinski, Sibir Energy, UNOCAL, Halliburton,
PSG, GE + co. need not to worry to earn less money as possible.
And they have worldwide support, because every country will become richer.
In the meantime puppets like President Bush is still beating the terrorist
drums, supports a new opium trade in afganistan, can't remember Bin Laden
anymore and only wants to concentrate on the next enemy: Iraq.
There is only one problem:
In the meantime "real terrorists", who committ suicide everyday in the
Palestine-Israel conflict, endangered the whole middle east region again.
That's bad for everyone, and there is even not much oil to save there.
NOTE:
Please read also "Did Vreeland predict 911?-now free" incl. an interview at
forums.delphiforums.com/g...?msg=253.1
Edited by: ewing2000 at: 4/17/02 2:33:57 pm
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/17/02 5:10:04 pm)
Reply :)
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Edited by: Princess Kimberley at: 4/18/02 12:20:18 pm
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/17/02 5:35:26 pm)
Reply HTML Comments are not allowed
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From: EWING2001 1:20 pm
To: ALL (16 of 17)
253.16 in reply to 253.15
GZ still had still no time to analyse, if the real Vreeland is posting on a
website of an Ezboard member.
The opinions about the guy who runs this site are very critic.
>From an interview with Vreeland we learned, that he tried to work with
credible contacts only.
However it could be only a harmless fan forum with an ironic imposter.
Please decide on your own at:
pub61.ezboard.com/fltvreelanddotcomfrm3
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Edited 4/17/2002 4:25:40 PM ET by EWING2001
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From: EWING2001 3:25 pm
To: ALL (17 of 17)
253.17 in reply to 253.16
It seems to me, that this Vreeland-Board is not a hoax, but a harmless satire
forum where someone impostered as Lt. Vreeland to inform about the topic. I
think it's very obvious and should be allowed as a way of freedom of speech
and nicks.
Tucker
Registered User
(4/17/02 5:40:54 pm)
Reply So,
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I wonder who answers his email for him, as well as who the person is doing
his radio interviews.
Ah, the plot thickens....
Very interesting, Princess, thanks for posting that.
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/17/02 5:43:42 pm)
Reply
Community Supporter
Re: HTML Comments are not allowed
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YOUR POSTS ARE GETTING ON MY NERVES KIM. BUT THAT IS OK. THERE NEEDS TO BE UN
BELIEVERS, IF IT WAS NOT FOR THEM WHAT WOULD THERE EVER BE TO PROVE.
GO TO WWW.RENSE.COM IN 35 MINUTES, I'LL BE ON AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOU ON
THE RADIO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS ME....
Edited by: ltvreeland at: 4/18/02 4:01:15 am
Tucker
Registered User
(4/17/02 5:49:22 pm)
Reply In all honesty
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she poses a legitimate question: how do we know whom we are communicating
with? I mean after all this is the net, Lt. Vreeland. You have no way of
proving who you are anymore than I can prove to you who I am not.
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Author Comment
wittgens2002
Registered User
(4/17/02 8:22:35 pm)
Reply Re: Lt Vreeland
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www.canoe.ca/CNEWSScience...ider2.html
Sunday, March 12, 2000
Web of mystery
Darwin Vest Vanished
In severe cases, the bite of the hobo can cause potentially deadly syndrome
Darwin Vest, a top authority on hobo spiders, vanished without a trace nine
months ago in Idaho.
Vest, 48, disappeared June 3. Police are investigating and suspect foul play.
Just days before his disappearance, Vest notified his sister, Rebecca, that
an Oregon business was interested in selling the hobo spider trap kits he
invented.
The hobo spider had special meaning for Vest and his sister: She named the
spider, whose bite was thought for years to be that of a brown recluse.
Vest was an expert on spider, snake and plant poisons.
The self-taught scientist and owner of Eagle Rock Research in Idaho Falls,
Idaho, testified in court cases across the country about poisonous bites,
lectured and wrote on the subject and was featured on the Discovery Channel.
Vest also had colleagues in Edmonton.
"He was a really nice guy,'' says Robin Leech, a local arachnid expert who
met Vest at several scientific conferences and regularly corresponded with
the American about spider bites.
"His activities took him everywhere.
"He did covert stuff with the CIA and the FBI,'' says Leech. "It's funny how
when you get into something like venom, all kinds of peculiar things come out
of the carpet.''
Vest collected spiders and milked them for their venom. The process involved
Scotch-taping an anesthetized arachnid to a board, delivering a shock and
using a pipette to pick up a bead of venom.
He apparently vanished as he was walking back to his house near the Snake
River.
He had played his weekly trivia game with friends at a bar.
The dark-haired, bearded man was known for taking night walks.
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/17/02 9:07:11 pm)
Reply David vs Goliath?
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Edited by: Princess Kimberley at: 4/18/02 10:57:12 am
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/18/02 5:08:18 am)
Reply
Community Supporter
Re: David vs Goliath?
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God bless my greatest fan for comming around to the spook side..........
Thanks for listening last night Kimmy, lol I love that name
Tucker
Registered User
(4/18/02 6:57:16 am)
Reply If I may
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Quote:
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'You' lost me with the clear ink pen story.
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I must have missed that one. I only heard the story about the standard,
jail-issued, bic oil-based pens vs. the water based contraband pens in which
the infamous 'note' was penned.
Let me give it to you in a nutshell, Princesa:
-Lt. Vreeland claims to have written that note sometime in August of 2001--at
least a month in advance of the attacks.
-standard jail issue pens are bic oil-based
-Lt. Vreeland claims to have written the note using water based pens, which
were snuck into the prison for him (edit: "with mistaken permission..."
according to the affidavit. sorry, didn't mean to sound misleading)
-Lt. Vreeland claims the water based pens were confiscated shortly after he
wrote that note
-Lt. Vreeland claims it is in the jail records, the date these pens were
taken from him
Therefore: Lt. Vreeland is claiming he could not have written the infamous
note after they confiscated his water based pens, which was sometime in
August (edit: 14th according to the affidavit).
Lt. Vreeland is using the story of the pens to back his claim that not only
did he write the note, but that it was written prior to September 11th, as
well as documented by the jail as to when the pens in which he scribed it
were taken from him.
Let me know if I missed anything, Lieutenant.
Edited by: Tucker at: 4/18/02 11:18:13 am
deoiler
Registered User
(4/18/02 12:32:46 pm)
Reply Re: Lt Vreeland
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Ewing2000,
Thanks so much for your detailed information on the Oil Wars also known as
the "War on Terrorism." Someone has already posted a portion of your article
on the SmirkingChimp on The Vreeland Thread
Do you have any idea why the Sibir airplane was shot down or who was aboard?
Edited by: deoiler at: 4/18/02 12:35:42 pm
Princess Kimberley
Registered User
(4/18/02 7:12:00 pm)
Reply A link ...
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and another toronto star link...
www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs...=News/News
btw, do you have a brother?... any family, even navy family, willing to come
to your aid?
Edited by: Princess Kimberley at: 4/18/02 7:19:11 pm
deoiler
Registered User
(4/18/02 8:15:06 pm)
Reply www.orthomed.com/anthrax.htm.
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Calypso,
Either you screwed up the above link in your last post, or the spooks have
scrubbed it. Check it out and let us know.
Edited by: deoiler at: 4/18/02 8:16:30 pm
ltvreeland
ezOP
(4/19/02 6:46:41 am)
Reply
Community Supporter
Re: A link ...
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I have family , and other helping me. Would you like me to give you their
e-mails? lol Tucker would love it...
gunnarj
Registered User
(4/19/02 5:21:31 pm)
Reply Re: www.orthomed.com/anthrax.htm.
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Try the link without the last period.
www.orthomed.com/anthrax.htm
works fine.
gunnarj
Calypso
Registered User
(4/19/02 6:59:42 pm)
Reply Re: www.orthomed.com/anthrax.htm.
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deoiler,
Strange. If you follow the link at the "Page not found" note it will take you
there. Or at least it did when I tried it.
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