Re: [CTRL] "Iron Hillary"

[Don S. Brown]

>I think the point to keep in mind is the climate of rank amateurism that prevailed
during Bill Jeff's time as President.� The problem he ran into was having more
questions thrown at him then he did answers. The less able a person is to deflect
criticism and press on with the program, the less professional the job is.� How many
people have flings on the side that are never discovered?� Monica?� This is the
DUMBEST thing or person he could've done.� We'll leave her at being too damned
young to know how to play the game.� And there are those who don't get the
message, despite the fact that she and Monica have had almost congruent lives.>




Hello Euphorian,
I would not say that this is the point to keep in mind.  The point to keep in mind is the abuse of the system that the neoconservatives wrecked on us all.  I would also say that the point is that right wing propaganda was turned up full force on Clinton and used specious, malicious rummers and innuendo to build a case against him.
I was responding to a post that you provided from CNSNews which is a regular source for Bill O'Reilly and has no credibility as an unbiased news source.
I do not know how you make the leap in logic that because someone is getting more questions than they can (or will) answer is proof of anything except maybe they are busy.
When you talk about the climate of rank amateurism surrounding his time in office, that is as opposed to the criminal cartel of Reagan and GHW Bush?  Or perhaps this farce of an administration?
Clinton is one of the best and smoothest politicians to ever hold office.  I am an independent, but my observation of him is that he was dealt plenty of lemons and made plenty of lemonade out of the GOP and their efforts to slam him day in and day out.

And no the Dumbest thing a President could do would be trade arms for hostages and dope for guns and get busted for it.  And about 32 people in his administration.
As to be too young to know how to play the game, I guess it was pure young, dumb and full of cum boy luck that won him two presidential elections?

<Remember, the FBI worked for Freeh who worked for Reno who worked for Bill Jeff
who got Reno to appoint Kenny Babyface Starr as the special prosecutor.� The
reason BJ didn't get the axe from the government was because he really didn't do
anything illegal, wrong to some maybe but not illegal.� He just was having more fun
than they would allow themselves to admit possible>

I believe that you may want to see how the selection process for Ken Starr occurred.  As to the FBI working for him, I doubt very seriously he would have preferred for all those assets to be putting him under a microscope for 10 years.  
Now, I hold Clinton responsible for many things that have nothing to do with sex.  Covering up TWA comes to mind and Waco and OKC as well.  His numerous executive orders that took away property rights and civil liberties should be another issue.  Instead the media and the right wing backed investigations gave up Big Billy's Willy for year after year.  They never got the point that outside of their cabal, nobody cared.  

<Don't forget that BJ paid off Paula.� And to amplify your point: she got dumped after
all was said and done.� And why did she feel offended in the first place?� Because
she never got anything out of it in the beginning, to begin with?� But she'd eventually
get a nose job (something else to blow) and that makes everything better.� New
nose, no job, no reputation, no friends, doing more in public for millions of adoring
fans what she wouldn't do for for one in private.� And wasn't she the one that claimed
they had besmirched her?

Poor Paula.� Poor pathetic prude prominently proboscissed political pawn picked
Penthouse Pet.� The smart thing for BJ to have done was taken her aside (with a
mutually agreed upon chaperon) and settled.� He could have finessed an apology for
any missed understanding that might have arisen.� Even had her report it.� Explained
to her what role she was playing and told her to keep an eye out for certain trends
and road signs just to justify his (then) position that she was indeed just a piece.� A
piece of the game.>

Well, the Paula Jones issue was fabricated pure and simple.  She was a tool and her claims were totally false and have been proven so.  Gold digging bimbo's was a plague courtesy of guys like Richard Mellon Scaife paying anybody to come forward with anything just to keep the venom flowing.  She was never a piece of anything in the game accept as a pawn that never moved on her own.  
Do you know any of the facts of the Paula Jones case?  

<Then, he could have taken the missionary position (the "high ground") and quoted or
paraphrased the words of the martyr, something to the effect that whoever was
without sin should cast the first ballot for impeachment.� But R-kansas is not the
District of Corruption.� And they, the right-wing conspirators, made Poor Paula into a
modern day Magdalena whose honour could only be saved by the man who would
not defend her.�� But mamma wouldn't let him, tell him to have days like that.

Ah, and then years later, this scene would replay itself with the moronic Monica, the
she-devil with the blue dress on (wasn't that a Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels'
song?), seeking to have a protector from the sticks and stones, only to be left to the
mercy of those who would, in the words of Minnesota Bob Zimmerman, "stone ya
when you're tryin' to be so good".� Deserted by the Big Bubba who sought to
rehabilitate his reputation with Jesse "Hijinx" Jackson.� Who was counselling whom?
"Hijinx" seeking solace for his sordid antics would seem to be more like it.�� "Yeah, I
know whatcha mean, BJ.� Let me tell you how lucky you are!"� Singin' "Good golly,
Miss Monica" ...

To return to the issue of "Iron Hillary" for a moment, wasn't there the scene in
"Primary Colours" where Emma T. Bops John T. in the back of head with a ring full of
keys in a fit of pique?� This wasn't put in there for fluff.� That wHollyweird could be
prescient about BJ's trials and tribulations and film them so far in advance showed
how transparent he was and is.

And, if you want to blame anyone for the mess, blame Bush 41 for being a lazy
politician.� BJ was never meant to be President; just like Bob "Can't Cash My Own
Check In My Own Hometown" Dole (R-Kansas) wasn't and didn't. That BJ did
become President made a lot of people mad.

Now don't blame "W" for Fluoridia either.� If BJ had done the smart thing and
stepped down during the impeachment to settle all the OE (ovine excrement), Al Jr
would've been President, then and now.� Al Jr lost a lot of friends when he
'apparently' sided with BJ.� All that crap would've stopped if they did that one little
thing.� BJ would have eventually been cleared or pardoned at full retirement and the
Democrats could have avoided Miami vices.� And that would've stopped the
terrorists, in my view, because no one would have been mad at "W".� Or BJ.� Or Al
Jr.>

As to all of the above, I must be too tired to understand much of any of what you wrote.  I can't deal in ad hominum, fantasy politics, and mythical history.
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