-Caveat Lector-

http://www.questionsquestions.net/documents2/corn2.html
--[cont]--

There are type stylings and other type-nuances at the web site that help to
understand whom is talking where.
Om
K
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Judge Campbell called Vreeland a "man who appears on this evidentiary record
to be nothing more than a petty fraudsman with a vivid imagination." But
Ruppert dismisses Vreeland's past, noting he has "a very confusing criminal
arrest record--some of it very contradictory and apparently fabricated."


Simply a lie -- Ruppert has stated very plainly that Vreeland is "not a
saint" and has never tried to deny or dismiss the existence of his criminal
record. The world of spying and covert operations is not known for being
straight-laced. Furthermore Vreeland has made two arguments that deserve
mention: first, he claims that parts of his record were forged deliberately,
following the practice of building a credible criminal "rep" which is
essential if one is supposed to infiltrate organized crime. Second, if these
records are all genuine, then why have they not been applied to Vreeland's
extradition hearings, which would make nabbing him a snap?


When I interviewed Vreeland, he said, "I have never legally been convicted of
anything in the United States of America." And, he added, he has never been
in prison.

There are two odd bounces in this case. Vreeland claims that in Moscow he
worked with a Canadian Embassy employee named Marc Bastien. Unfortunately,
this cannot be confirmed by Bastien. He was found dead in Moscow on December,
12, 2000--while Vreeland was in jail in Toronto. At the time of his death,
Canadian authorities announced Bastien died of natural causes, but Vreeland
later claimed Bastien had been murdered. Then, this past January, the Quebec
coroner said Bastein died after drinking a mixture of alcohol and clopazine,
an antidepressant, and he noted that Bastien may have been poisoned--or may
have been offered the medication to fight a hangover.


Corn, don't play dumb and skip the context. The coroner was cautiously
agreeing with the findings of the RMCP and Moscow police who believed that
the computer specialist was the victim of a person - "maybe a woman" - who
slipped a clopazine tablet in his drink.


Had Vreeland really known something about this death, or had he made a good
guess about a fellow whose death was covered in the Canadian media? And
during a courtroom proceeding, at Vreeland's insistence, the judge allowed
his counsel to place a call to the Pentagon. The operator who answered
confirmed that a Lieutenant D. Vreeland was listed in the phone directory.
Afterward, Canadian prosecutors claimed that information from the US
government indicated that a person purporting to be Lieutenant D. Vreeland
had earlier sent an e- mail to a telephone operator at the Pentagon, saying
he would temporarily be occupying a Pentagon office and requesting that this
be reflected in the listings.


Ummm, yeah... what evidence did they offer? By the way, the statements and
behavior of prosecutors in the case has been described by Ruppert as bizarre
and contradictory, which is apparently one of the factors which swayed the
exasperated judge to rule in Vreeland's favor.


Could a fellow in a Toronto jail have scammed the Pentagon telephone system?


And if he had, would the Pentagon now be silent about it? Why has Corn
brought up this innuendo based on heresay from a clearly biased source?
Wouldn't it be easier to call up the Pentagon and get a definitive statement
on this? Really.

Next, we ought to ask how Vreeland, from his jail cell, forged a 1,000+ page
service record and had a deep-cover mole on the inside to deposit it in
military archives where it could be retrieved by his laywers. Obviously an
extraordinarily talented fellow.


In March the Canadian criminal charges against Vreeland were dropped, and he
was allowed to post bail. Explaining why charges were removed, Paul
McDermott, a provincial prosecutor, says his office considered the pending
extradition matter the priority. Vreeland's extradition hearing is scheduled
for September.

To believe Vreeland's scribbles mean anything,


By the way, some people who have not decided at the drop of a hat that the
letter merely contains "scribbles" have made some interesting finds. For
instance, names of two Russian businessmen whose connections lead straight to
some Central Asia oil interests... but Corn probably doesn't want to hear
about that...


one must believe his claim to be a veteran intelligence operative sent to
Moscow on an improbable top-secret, high-tech mission (change design
documents to neutralize an entire technology) during which he stumbled upon
documents (which he has not revealed) showing that 9/11 was going to happen.
To believe that, one must believe he is a victim of a massive disinformation
campaign, involving his family, law enforcement officers and defense lawyers
across the country, two state corrections departments, county clerk offices
in ten or so counties, the Canadian justice system and various parts of the
US government. And one must believe that hundreds, if not thousands, of
detailed court, county, prison and state records have been forged.


How stupid do you think we are, Corn? Are you asking us to believe that no
one has ever had their criminal records forged before? Better hope that your
loyal readers don't do any background research on this topic.


It is easier to believe that a well-versed con man got lucky with the Bastien
death/murder, was able to arrange a stunt with the Pentagon switchboard and
either wrote a sketchy note before September 11 that could be interpreted
afterward as relevant or penned the note following the disaster and convinced
prison guards he had written it previously.


You can believe what you need to believe.


Michigan detective John Meiers, who's been chasing Vreeland for two years,
says, "The bottom line: Delmart Vreeland is a con man. He's conned everyone
he comes into contact with. That's why he's wanted.... He keeps going back
into court for hearings because he doesn't want to come back here. He knows
he's going to prison, and he's fighting. In the interim, he's coming up with
a variety of stories."


So, a seasoned con man who is slick enough to pull the wool over the eyes of
a hardboiled ex-LA cop (and a number of other reporters) decides to concoct
the story that he was a spy who knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance as his
sneaky ticket out of jail?? Ummm, by definition a con is designed to be easy
to swallow, not outrageous and dissonant. That's the whole point. No one is
disputing that Vreeland has some shady sides to his life, but the evidence
shows that he knew things he should not have; a simple "con man" theory just
doesn't hold water.

flashback -- Ruppert's response to Corn's first slander attack:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030402_cornreply.html



The Rest of It

The Vreeland case--despite the attention it has drawn--is not the centerpiece
of all 9/11 conspiracy theories.


Exactly... so why then have you made it the centerpiece of this article, when
there are so many other topics to discuss? After all, you did remark
defensively about not having enough space to cover everything. Maybe you're
hedging because you know your "refutation" was weak and built on innuendo?



There is much more: A CIA officer supposedly met with bin Laden in July 2001
in Dubai. Before September 11, parties unknown engaged in a frenzy of short-
selling involving the stock of American Airlines, United Airlines and dozens
of other companies affected by the attacks. The Pentagon was not actually hit
by an airliner. Flight 93--the fourth plane--did not crash in Pennsylvania;
it was shot down. The Bush Administration, in talks with the Taliban, warned
that war was coming. And that's not a complete run-down.

Some of the lingering questions or peculiar facts warrant more attention than
others. There was a boost in short-selling. But does that suggest the US
government ignored a clear warning? Or might the more obvious explanation be
true--that people close to Osama bin Laden were tipped off and took advantage
of that inside information?


As I understand it, investigators in the UK were unable to establish any
links between the trades and bin Laden's organization, and announced this
last fall. If the US investigation found any links, why would they not have
been announced in order to bolster the US government's case? If the
investigation led nowhere, why was that not simply announced? Why has all the
hush-hush fallen over the investigation? Are they trying to make us
suspicious? I don't see how this leads in any way to an "obvious"
explanation, unless one is credulous.


Ronald Blekicki, who publishes Microcap Analyst, an online investment
publication, says most of the short-selling occurred overseas--and escaped
notice in the United States. If that type of trading had happened in the US
markets, he explains, it would have stirred rumors about the companies
involved. "Everyone on the exchanges would have known about it," he explains.
"My best guess is that the people who profited were reasonably wealthy
individuals in the inner circle of bin Laden and the Taliban." What is
curious, though, is that news of the investigations into the short-selling
has taken a quick-fade. Neither the Securities and Exchange Commission nor
the Chicago Board Options Exchange will say whether they are still
investigating trading practices prior to September 11. And there has been no
word from Congress or the Bush Administration on this topic. Suspicious
minds, no doubt, can view the public absence of government interest as
evidence of something amiss. In this instance, the lack of a credible
official investigation creates much space for the disciples of conspiracy
theories.


Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing,
internationally recognized economic consultant, and an expert on money
laundering who has been doing some of the leading public research into Enron
and related scandals, apparently must fit Corn's definition of "disciples of
conspiracy theories." While serving in the administration of Bush Sr., she
was put in charge of the behind-the-scenes cleanup of the HUD and S&L
scandals, and continued later in the private sector working on the BCCI
scandal as well. These eye-opening experiences prompted her to pursue
economic reform as an entrepeneur (turning down an offer to join the Federal
Reserve in the process!) and she has been advocating strongly for deeper
investigation into the current Bush Administration scandals. She also happens
to be a research advisor to Ruppert on economic issues. Here is her recent
public statement supporting an independent investigation of 9/11, in which
she places high importance on looking into the insider stock trades...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0205/S00173.htm

...not to mention eclipsing Corn's feeble assertion that "they're just not
evil enough to do something like this" with the knowing experience of an
insider who has watched closeup and firsthand how these people operate. Take
it from the source, folks.

One note about Corn's previous paragraph: by bringing up the fact that most
of the stock trades occurred overseas, he appears to me to be hinting in a
backhanded way that they would have slipped past the attention of US
intelligence. This is deceptive -- the CIA and other intelligence agencies
use sophisticated software programs to monitor trading activity in all
worldwide markets, on a constant basis. This is in no way limited to domestic
markets. Their posession of such software, long denied, was acknowledged
shortly after 9/11 in reference to other parts of the investigation.



No airliner at the Pentagon? You can find websites devoted to that thesis.
Another site, called www.flight93crash.com, offers a sober look at the
anomalies that have led people to wonder if that last plane, the one in
Pennsylvania, was blasted out of the sky.

The alleged CIA-bin Laden meeting in Dubai has attracted intense notice in
alternative-9/11 circles. The story first appeared In Le Figaro, a French
newspaper, on October 31, 2001, in an article by freelancer Alexandra
Richard. Citing an unnamed "partner of the administration of the American
Hospital in Dubai," she maintained that bin Laden was treated at the hospital
for ten days. Her story also asserted that "the local CIA agent...was seen
taking the main elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room"
and "bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden," but she
provided no source for these details. The hospital categorically denies bin
Laden was there. Even if a meeting occurred, that would not necessarily
indicate the CIA was aware of bin Laden's plot. Such news, though, would be a
huge embarrassment and prompt many awkward questions. But the meeting's
existence--unattached to a single identifiable source--can only be regarded
as iffy.


The Le Figaro report did indeed attract intense notice when it first
appeared: a number of the better researchers immediately red-flagged it as
possibly phony, a lure for those who would jump at a "too good to be true"
smoking gun, and would then later be discredited when the story would be
refuted (a similar reaction occured when the French "Pentagon Hoax" came
out). Ruppert revealed that Le Figaro is partially owned by the Carlysle
Group, which increased these guarded suspicions.

Le Figaro, however, has stood by the story despite intense official denials,
and it was later found that Carlysle's ownership of the newspaper is not
significant. Thus, the story has been accepted as a legitimate, though not
central piece of evidence; one which must be viewed in light of other
important evidence (particularly accounting for some fairly pointed
skepticism in legitimate quarters whether the bin Laden's supposed
estrangement from their errant son is as complete as they claim).

Viewed in isolation, this report is "iffy," but as I noted before, Corn is
pursuing a debunking approach of "divide and conquer" towards the evidence.
This type of tactic reminds me of a slick mob lawyer who gets his client off
the hook by knocking down each piece of evidence one by one on legal
technicalities, dazzling and overwhelming the jury and distracting from the
fact that the "big picture" with all the pieces put together carefully is
quite consistent and shows an identifiable pattern of wrongdoing.


Two French authors, Jean-Charles Brisard, a former intelligence employee, and
Guillaume Dasquie, a journalist, have written a book, Bin Laden; the
Forbidden Truth, in which they maintain that the 9/11 attacks were the
"outcome" of "private and risky discussions" between the United States and
the Taliban "concerning geostrategic oil interests." As they see it,
Washington, driven by fealty to Big Oil, threatened the Taliban with military
action and replacement, as it was pursuing Osama bin Laden and seeking a
regime in Afghanistan that would cooperate with oil firms. In response to
Washington's heavy- handed tactics, the two suggest, bin Laden and the
Taliban decided to strike first. This double theory--it's-all-about-oil and
Washington provoked the attack--has resonated on anti-Bush websites. To prove
their case, the French men attach sinister motives to a United Nations
initiative to settle the political and military strife in Afghanistan. Citing
a UN report, they depict this effort as "negotiations" between the Taliban
and the United States, in which the Americans aimed to replace the Taliban
with the former King. Yet a fair reading of the UN report shows that the
endeavor--conducted by the UN Special Mission to Afghanistan--was a
multilateral attempt to resolve the conflict in Afghanistan that involved
discussions with the various sides in that country. It was not geared toward
reinstalling ex-King Mohammad Zahir Shah.


That Corn would try to drag Jean-Charles Brisard, an internationally
recognized terrorism expert, into his "conspiracy rumor monger" bin is truly
bizarre. Several years ago, Brisard wrote what is recognized as the
definitive research work on Osama bin Laden and his organization. Hmmm, I
guess this only earns him the right in Corn's eyes to be labeled as a "former
intelligence employee." Pathetic.


Brisard and Dasquie's most dramatic charge is that former Pakistani foreign
minister Niaz Naik, who attended one of a series of international conferences
held by the UN Special Mission to Afghanistan, says that at the July 2001
meeting a "US official" threatened the Taliban, "Either you accept our offer
of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." (This portion
of the book is similar to an earlier article in the British Guardian, in
which Naik additionally noted that the Pakistani government relayed Naik's
impression of this US threat to the Taliban.) The Taliban, though, were not
present at the session, which was held in Berlin, and the three American
representatives there were former US officials. One of the reps, Tom Simons,
a past US Ambassador to Pakistan who spent thirty-five years in the foreign
service, recalls no such threat but acknowledges that the Americans did note
that if Washington determined bin Laden was behind the USS Cole bombing in
Yemen, the Afghans obviously could expect the Bush Administration to strike
bin Laden. That would hardly have been a remark to cause bin Laden to arrange
quickly a pre-emptive assault. Simons--who says he was not interviewed by the
French authors--believes Naik misheard the Americans on this point. Whether
Naik did or not, the French authors, at best, suggest a line of inquiry
rather than come close to validating their contention.


Throughout this article, 90% of what Corn is offering is innuendo and
hyped-up doubt, not even attempting refutation. I'm not impressed.

Some more crucial questions Corn could have better spent his time on:

Why did the Bush Administration, during their secret negotiations with the
Taliban, default on many clear opportunities to demand the handover of bin
Laden and his al Qaeda leadership? (corroborated by Laili Helms, who served
as an unofficial envoy to the Taliban).

Given that US invasion plans for Afghanistan were already set months before,
and a vast US & UK military mobilization in the region was already being
staged before 9/11, what justification for war was the weak and unpopular
Bush Administration counting on to allow this plan to go forward? I find it
far-fetched to believe that a disclosure about al Qaeda's guilt in the Cole
Bombing would have secured anything more than airstrikes or otherwise limited
attack.

What was the full relationship between US policy towards the Taliban & al
Qaeda and the long-running UNOCAL pipeline project for Central Asia, site the
world's most strategically important undeveloped oil reserve (and subject of
a 1997 book by master policy planner Zbigniew Brezhinski, who argued for a US
play at dominance in the region which would require a "Pearl Harbor" style
provocation)?

Why weren't decisions made at the political level during the Clinton and Bush
Administrations to take more aggressive military steps against bin Laden and
al Qaeda? http://globalresearch.ca/articles/JAN205A.html
Good God, when even the stuffy military journal Jane's Intelligence Weekly is
posing tougher and more cogent questions than the big poster boy "leftists",
it ain't time to start crying... it's time to start laughing.



(Brisard and Dasquie also argue--without offering an abundance of
evidence--that the United States, by design, did not vigorously pursue bin
Laden and the Al Qaeda network because doing so clashed with other diplomatic
priorities, most notably, cozying up to the oil autocrats of Saudi Arabia.)


How convenient -- Corn fails to mention that Brisard heard these charges of
obstruction from John O'Neill, one of the FBI's top anti-terror investigators
and formerly his close friend (O'Neill died in the WTC attack, his second day
on the job at a new security post there. Hmmm...)



Official accounts ought not to be absorbed without scrutiny.


Mr. Corn, in my view you have no credibility as a "leftist" until you start
attacking official accounts with the same kind of skeptical outrage and
cynicism which you are now choosing to direct instead at your reviled
"conspiracy theorists." Why has every article you have written since the
breaking of the Phoenix Memo story been in harmonious yet subtle lock step
with the Bush Administration's transparent efforts to deflect questions of
their negligence and/or culpability towards the damage-control issue of
"intelligence failure" and pull off the obvious tactic of making the FBI &
CIA take the fall?



Clandestine agendas and unacknowledged geostrategic factors--such as oil--may
well shape George W. Bush's war on terrorism.


OK, I get it. We should have scrutiny, but only if it leads to safe and
familiar sounding allegations of medium corruption and medium criminality.
Anything which might justify Impeachment or otherwise threaten the
fundamental power base of those running the system is clearly, obviously,
just a conspiracy theory which must never even be considered. No urgency, no
worries. The righteous, implacable enemies of Bush Administration corruption
like David Corn will have it all figured out for us before long.



And there are questions that have gone unaswered. For example, on September
12, 2001, a brief story in Izvestia, the Moscow-based newspaper, citing
unnamed sources, reported that Moscow had warned Washington of the 9/11
attacks weeks earlier. Was such a warning actually transmitted? If so, who
issued the warning and who received it?


My first guess is that it was received by the mail room clerk at the Montana
Department of Fish and Wildlife.



But questions are not equivalent to proof.


And that's why anyone who thinks that these questions ought to be plastered
across the headlines so we can back these dictatorial bastards into a corner
and try to pry out some truth is an overexcitable conspiracy nut?



As of now, there is not confirmable evidence to argue that the conventional
take on September 11--bin Laden surprise-attacked America as part of a jihad,
and a caught-off-guard United States struck back--is actually a cover story.


This remark is pure bluster and obfuscation. More semantic manipulations
around the issue of appropriate and reasonable standards of presentable
evidence at the nascent stages of a still uninvestigated political scandal
and cover-up. In context, the evidence thus far is stunning.



Without conspiracy theories, there is much to wonder about September 11. The
CIA and the FBI had indications, if not specific clues, that something was
coming and did not piece them together. Government agencies tasked to protect
the United States failed.


Try again -- the 13-page memo (which Corn has left unmentioned) from Colleen
Rowley, one of the FBI's best and brightest, alleges that there was willful
obstruction of justice by FBI management, to such an extreme extent that
agents started darkly joking between each other under their breath that their
higher-ups must have been working for bin Laden. We do not yet have an
explanation for this and whether it was done following orders. Hey Corn, stop
trying so desperately to sell us on the "failure to put the pieces together"
spin. We're not buying it yet. You're making yourself look like a crank.



US air defenses performed extraordinarily poorly--even though there had been
signs for at least five years that Al Qaeda was considering a 9/11-type
scheme.


US air defenses did not perform extraordinarily poorly. They scarcely
performed at all. This is an important unexplained issue, without even a
remote precedent, and one which has been researched in great detail already
raising serious unanswered questions.

I've been learning that there are two sides to everything in life: for every
amateur, credulous conspiracy nut who believes every story they hear about
government crimes, no matter how far-fetched and over-reaching the
explanation is, there is also an amateur, credulous conspiracy doubter who
accepts the excuse of incompetence and systemic failure for every lapse by
those in government, no matter how far-fetched and over-reaching the
explanation is. The latter seems to be the audience which Corn would like to
have.



Afterward, neither the Bush Administration nor Congress rushed to
investigate. In fact, Senate majority leader Tom Daschle maintains that Bush
and Vice President Dick Cheney both told him in January they opposed any
Congressional investigation of 9/11. (The White House denies this.) Congress
finally greenlighted an inquiry, but the investigation bogged down as the
Congressional investigators complained that the CIA and the Justice
Department were impeding their efforts.


The American people are not conspiracy theorists for noting how the Bush
Administration continued to dodge and lie even after the revelations about
the Phoenix FBI memo and the intelligence briefings. Honest politicians with
nothing to hide respond to such a situation with speedy full disclosure, in
order to settle any questions of their culpability. They do not continue with
a coverup and continue to play hardball with those on Capitol Hill who are
trying to pursue an open investigation.

This is not about f***ing conspiracy theories and "true believers." It's
about f***ing common sense.

Until and unless those in authority give a full accounting of what they know,
which can be independently verified, the public has the right -- in lieu of
full disclosure -- to begin taking steps toward drawing their own conclusions
about the truth that lies behind a catastrophic failure by their leaders to
perform their duties, using the evidence that is available. Bush has had
eight months to come clean and provide the full truth about 9/11 to the
still-traumatized American people, and continues to fail to do so. Where
there is unresolved and reasonable doubt, the balance of the burden of proof
is now on him, not on Corn's hysterically fantasized "conspiracy" menace.



One problem with conspiracy theorizing is that it can distract from the true
and (sometimes mundane) misdeeds and mistakes of government.


Another problem is that dilligent and honest research into some "conspiracy
theories" quickly reveals how some "leftist" media pundits like Corn have for
years chronically downplayed how corrupt and blood-soaked the system really
is, all the way up to the top. This in itself does far more damage to the
truth than all the efforts of the world's Karl Roves and Ari Fleischers.

Really, the tautological insistence by Corn and others that "conspiracy
theory" is the ultimate nemesis of activism against the "real" problems of
government is a divisive fear tactic which exploits the genuine concerns of
those who may be vulnerable to worries about whether they are being a "good
activist" or a "good progressive" who is making a practical difference. As
usual, it is brought up here as an ex-cathedra dictum without justification
or explanation (sometimes, when an explanation is offered, it is based on no
more than an assertion that "conspiracy theory" does not conform with
orthodox "structuralist" or "institutional" old-left ideology). Normon
Solomon has been even more heavy-handed in this regard, with arm-waving
Chicken Little announcements about people like Ruppert being "very dangerous
to the movement."

I think it is worth reflecting on the fact that authoritarian leaders have
always justified their one-sided control with propaganda to the effect that
they are saving the vulnerable from degenerate, corrupting outsiders. This is
a timeless trait of human nature.



But when the government is reluctant to probe its own errors, it opens the
door wider for those who would turn anomalies into theories or spin curious
fact--or speculation--into outlandish explanation.


Oh, so true -- when is the paranoid and deranged public going to realize that
government coverups are just silly, clumsy accidents? History has proved this
true every single time.

Besides, the Bush Administration's "Patriot" Act has only broken four
articles of the Bill of Rights. That still leaves a whole bunch left! They
may have also just granted new powers to the FBI to spy on citizens without
almost no restrictions, but there's absolutely no confirmed direct evidence
that this will actually happen. Let's not overreact here! Everybody deserves
some extra time and a second chance to prove that they can do better, even
Bush!



Not that all who do so need much encouragement. September 11 was so
traumatic, so large, that there will always be people who look to color
it--or exploit it--by adding more drama and intrigue, who seek to discern
hidden meanings, who desire to make more sense of the awful act. And there
will be people who want to believe them.


And here, the final sneering cheap shot. Minus the ones who are just cynical
exploiters, the conspiracy nuts are all just frightened and hurt deep down
inside, and they need to believe in something so it will all make sense!

Brian Salter
3 June 2002
http://www.questionsquestions.net


The "Loyal Opposition" playbook:

25 Rules of Disinformation
http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/photo/truth.html

The Real Opposition:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com
http://globalresearch.ca
http://www.onlinejournal.com
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
http://www.madcowprod.com
http://www.truthout.com
http://legitgov.org
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q.html
http://www.narconews.com


The red-blooded left:
http://www.newmassmedia.com/nac.phtml?code=wma&db=nac_fea&ref=20672

more good thoughts on the "impossibly large and complex conspiracy" canard:
http://www.swans.com/library/art8/zig075.html


Ruppert is passionately shaking the trees, and where is everybody else, ye
radicals? What is this hostility to the spirit of investigation? How did
"conspiracy theorist" replace "communist" in the New McCarthyism?

--Al Giordano, editor of Narconews.com


original article:
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=66








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