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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/index.cfm NO AIR FORCE OR MARINE DEATHS As mentioned above, no active duty Air Force people died as a result of the 9-11 attack on the Pentagon. Air Force types, of course, make up the staff of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). Almost certainly it was NORAD that sent the remote controlled planes plowing into their targets on 9-11. See: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend2.html http://www.Public-Action.com/911/bumble.html No active duty Marines were killed on 9-11, either. ANOTHER MARINE MIRACLE We have already seen one Marine miracle -- the Marine photographer who was at the Pentagon at approximately 9:30 a.m. on September 11 and took shots of an incident that could not have occurred until 9:45 -- 9:55a.m. http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=356273&dir=Photo&ttl=010911-M 4122I-031&vn=&ref=defenselink cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-0930firetruck Another Marine miracle was described in an article posted on the Usenet group soc.veterans on September 16, 2001. ============= "Subject: America mourns victims of terrorism "Submitted by: Headquarters MarineCorps Story by Lance Cpl. John r. Lawson, III " . . . On Thursday, Marines recovered a Marine Corps flag from the impact area that -- strangely -- went untouched. Seeing a Marine proudly carry the red and gold flag away from the rubble moved Williams. "'That kind of touches you,' he said. "Then he added, 'Once a Marine, always a Marine.'" http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-vnis-marineflag ============= The soc.veterans posting does not explain what a MARINE flag was doing in Army/Navy offices. And it is indeed nothing short of a miracle that any flag, be it Marine or otherwise, would survive the inferno and building collapse "untouched," when 125 souls perished in the same place. The posting implies that the flag was held high on a staff as it was carried from the ruins, for notice the flag was carried "proudly." That term would scarcely be used if the flag was folded. Flags are important symbols -- they are used to indicate authority and supremacy. The miraculous discovery of an unscathed Marine flag in the ruins of Army and Navy operations offices could well be a show of victory over Army/Navy elements liquidated on 9-11. Coincidentally, the director of the FBI, Robert S. Mueller III, the man who openly boasts that his organization is a "partner" of an Israeli intelligence arm (the ADL), is a Marine. ("Once a Marine, always a Marine.") Mueller would have received the Army and Navy intelligence documents scattered on the Pentagon grounds and gathered up by the civilian rescuers. For all we know, the so-called FBI agents to whom the documents were given were working directly for the Mossad, or were Israeli commandos working under cover. Recall the FBI/ADL "partnership" mentioned by the Marine Director of the FBI. MARINES WORK FOR FBI ON 9-11 We are asked to believe the FBI is the foremost criminal investigatory agency in the world; that they have highly trained employees who are experts in gathering evidence that will stand up in any court. We are also asked to believe that the FBI was at the Pentagon on 9-11 to "investigate." But at the same time we are asked to believe the FBI arrived at the scene without their own photographers, and hired two photographers on the spot to take court-room quality photos. Both photographers just happened to arrive at the scene with cameras, and both happened to be Marines. One of these was Cpl.Jason Ingersoll, the gentleman who took a photo of the 9:40 a.m. event at 9:30 a.m. http://www.Public Action.com/911/rescue/obq-0930firetruck According to an article in Recordnet.com, at the time impact occurred, Ingersoll was in his Marine Corps' headquarters office, across the street from the Pentagon. When he heard the impact, he grabbed his camera and went on over. "One of the first photographers on the scene, he was drafted by the FBI to become a member of it evidence-response team. All through the day, Ingersoll took photos that some day could be used as evidence in court. He also had to maintain detailed crime-scene records in case he is asked to testify." Ingersoll put in 12-hour shifts for the FBI over the next few days, providing them with photographic "support." Recordnet.com also stated: "Ingersoll . . . helped place bodies in bags to be handed over to the Army recovery team." ("Lode Marine's heroic photo duty honored," Recordnet.com, January 20, 2002, http://www.recordnet.com/daily/columnists/garland/1LLnews012002.html cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/marinephoto-ingersoll) So here is a Marine on the scene -- a mere coincidence to the event -- and the FBI drafts him into the crucial work of 1. Taking evidentiary photographs that may have to be tested in court 2. Removing the bodies of the victims -- apparently without training in the proper handling of bodies at a crime scene. A second Marine photographer just happened to show up with his camera and just happened to get hired on the spot by the FBI. Sgt. Marshall Paull is the photographer for the Commandant of the Marine Corps., Gen. James L. Jones. As mentioned already, the terrorists had been considerate enough to avoid hitting the offices of the Joint Chiefs; after the event, Paull was safe, grabbed his camera, and headed for the impact site. "During his time at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., Sgt. Paull had the unfortunate duty of photographing a few aviation accidents. When he saw FBI agents arrive at the Pentagon, he told them of his experience and said he would be willing to help. "They took him up on his offer, and soon put him in a helicopter to take overhead pictures of the damage to the Pentagon." Several Public Action supporters have searched the Net, but found no photos showing FBI helicopters over Pentagon airspace on 9-11. However, remember the helicopter, variously described as a military helicopter conducting an "aerial survey" of the Pentagon crash site, and as an "Army Red Cross helicopter" (see "Air Space Not Too Restricted", above). Most likely, this was the helicopter into which FBI agents put Sgt. Paull. The FBI, not the military, was obviously controlling the air space, military personnel, and military materiel on 9-11. Recall that "no military intelligence officials have been allowed into the area," nor were they allowed to gather up military intelligence documents on 9-11; even military secret documents became FBI property. See "FBI Grabs Military Intelligence Documents"). Thus it was the "investigators" (the FBI), not the "war fighters" (the military), who captured the Pentagon war zone during the first days of the War For Jewish Supremacy. "On the Wednesday and Friday following the attack, Sgt. Paull assisted FBI agents by actually entering the devastated segment of the Pentagon to search for bodies. It was Sgt. Paull's tasks to take photographs." ("Marine photographer aids FBI in rescue efforts," Marinelink, September 21, 2001, http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:cqtITqJMDCcC:www.tecom.usmc.mil /vim/www/4600_Articles_00.htm+%22marshall+Paull%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/marinephotopaull2) Doubly blessed with serendipitous photographers was the FBI that day. But why, oh why, did the FBI show up at the "crime scene" of the century without FBI crime scene photographers? And why do we have two such disparate descriptions of Ingersoll's presence that day? 1. He happened to be at the site at 9:30 a.m. photographing the Pentagon, and, 2. He heard the 9:40 a.m. event from his office and came running over with his camera. MARINES AND ISRAEL ARE BUGS IN A RUG Few deny the Israelis are committing war crimes and genocide against Palestinians. The massacres at the Jenin refugee camp have been well documented in the press throughout the world. You can study a sampling of the world press accounts and see photos of the Jenin massacre here: http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine52.html cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-jenin What is the US Marine response to Jenin massacre? The Marines are studying the event to see "what they could learn from that urban fight." "Likewise, just weeks after the vicious fight in the Jenin refugee camp that ended April 15 with 75 Israelis and Palestinians dead and nearly 150 buildings in rubble, a senior Israeli Defense Force intelligence officer visited the United States to watch U.S. Marines experiment with new urban-warfare tactics." Urban warfare? The Palestinians did not provide an opportunity for "urban warfare" practice. What happened at Jenin was urban slaughter. So instead of condemning the barbarism, the Marine Corps has announced to the world that the US Marines want to take lessons. http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-942592.php cached at: http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/obq-marinetimes Who will be the targets of the Marines in US urban warfare? That answer is simple. The targets will be American citizens -- American men, women and children, just as the Israeli targets in Jenin were Palestinian men, women, and children. Let's all sing together: "Oh, the land of the free, and the home of the BRAVE . . ." A WORD ABOUT THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND Now it is time to take a closer look at the Special Operations Command. It is indeed a coincidence that Americans of Jewish descent were prominently involved in the establishment of the Special Operations Command. Harold Brown, a Jew, was Secretary of Defense when the attempted rescue of 53 American hostages in Iran turned into a disaster in April, 1980. http://www.thesolomonproject.org/book/byName.php cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-haroldbrown The failed mission under Harold Brown was used to promote the establishment of a separate Special Operations Command. According to official history, on May 15, 1986, Sen. William S. Cohen, following up on the suggestions of such as Gen. Edward C. "Shy" Meyer and Pentagon functionary Noel Koch, introduced legislation to establish a separate Special Operations Command. http://www.specialoperations.com/History/SOCOM_History/Default.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-founded SPECIAL OPS LAUDS BARAK ASSASSINATIONS Please visit Special Operations.com and look at this page: http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Legends cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-legends1 The introductory blurb tells us: "Following is a list of international special operations personnel, officer and enlisted, who have made a significant, lasting contribution to the development, history, or mythology of special operations warfare." Note: The people listed are not lauded for defending the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights, but for developing hit squads. Among those listed as a "legend" is Israeli Ehud Barak: Click on Barak's name and you will reach this page: http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Legends/Barak.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-legends2 Barak is described this way: "New PM of Israel, former commander of Sayeret Matkal (led hostage rescue of Sabena airliner in 1972 and the 1973 raid to assassinate PLO leaders in Beirut.)" A "sayeret" is a Hebrew word meaning commando unit or hit squad. You can read more about sayerets operating in Israel today at: http://www.intelbriefing.com/afi/afi010619.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-sayeret So, there, in Special Ops own words: It lauds Barak for assassinating Palestinian leaders in Lebanon. What relevance does the murder of Palestinians in Lebanon have to the defense of the US? None whatsoever. Need we ask how many Palestinians thugs, assassins, and commandos are praised by Special Ops? ; We see where Special Ops' loyalties lie. The Special Operations Command function as Israeli partisans, wrapped in the American flag. Visit this page on Israeli Special Operations: http://www.geocities.com/snipersperch/Israel01.index.html cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-israel and you will learn that Israel had US Navy SEALs and other Special Operations units train their assassins. SPECIAL OPS, AT ISRAEL'S SERVICE, CIRCA 1993 The Special Operations Command was activated on April 16, 1987. Six years later, using civilian facades provided by the ATF and FBI, Special Ops staged its Waco operation. Study the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum's War Gallery: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/war.html The deaths of David Koresh and his followers served Israeli interests. David Koresh was born Vernon Wayne Howell, and legally changed his name, taking the tribal name of the prophet Mohammed: "Quraysh." Another transliteration of that name is "Koresh." David Quraysh, or David Koresh, if you prefer, was teaching that the existence of the state of Israel was not essential to the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies, and that a Savior would come from Persia (Iran). David Koresh was teaching essentially Islamic beliefs; he threatened Israeli control of the fundamentalist "Christian" (Zionist) movement in the US. Clearly he had to go. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_kce.html The Waco affair was disguised as a law-enforcement action gone wrong, but it was a Special Operations junket from start to finish. Who was the commander of the Special Operations Command in April 1993? It was Gen. Wayne Allan Downing. More on Downing ("Waco Wayne") below. Coincidentally, it was the black helicopters of the 160th Airborne Division Special Operations Regiment (SOAR), featured in "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" that kicked off the February 28, 1993 raid by strafing the women's and children's quarters with machine gun fire, killing and wounding an unknown number of Davidian moms and kids. Those who were not killed outright on the first day of the raid died later of their wounds. Those remaining alive and loyal to David Koresh were assassinated on or just before April 19, along with Koresh himself. The rescue recorded by Tee Vee cameras on April 19, 1993, was staged. Plausible explanations for the victims' deaths were provided, including a fire and a structural collapse, just as a fire and structural collapse were plausible explanations of the Pentagon deaths, eight years later. COOKING UP PLAUSIBLE CAUSES OF DEATH After the April 19 Waco fire went out, Special Operations-cum-FBI-cum Israel's gofers sent down two world renowned Smithsonian Institution forensic scientists to help cook up the fraudulent autopsy reports: Drs. Douglas Owsley and Douglas Ubelaker, from the Division of Physical Anthropology at the Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hf.html They put their names on autopsy reports that contained lots of obvious lies about how victims were killed in the fire or crushed in a structural collapse, etc. LIES AND DUMB LIES One of the dumbest lies was this: The moms and kids died as a result of crushing injuries suffered when a concrete room collapsed. The problem? Widely published photos in newsmagazines and newspapers, taken from the ground and the air, show that the concrete room did not collapse. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_l.html And both Owsley and Ubelaker had their names right there, right on the fraudulent reports citing "structural collapse" as the cause of death. You can read about Ubelaker and Owsley's high jinks by going to the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum and putting "Ubelaker" and "Owsley" in the search engine. http://www.Public-Action.com/AT-pub129c0query.html Or meander through the Museum using this URL as a starting point: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_analys.html "BONE GUYS" PAW PENTAGON CADAVERS Now here's the creepy part. The FBI, given control of the Pentagon 9-11 war zone, called in the same people -- Owsley and Ubelaker -- to work on the Pentagon cadavers. Read "Skeleton Keys," in the May 31, 2002 Washington Post's Style section. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36421-2002May30.html cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wp-boneguys-05-31 2002 And read this related article: "Pentagon Cadavers Meet 'The Bone Guys'" http://www.Public-action.com/boneguys.html Why were Owsley and Ubelaker -- whom the Post dubbed "bone guys" in its May 31 article -- called in on the Pentagon job at all? The Washington Post article does not explain that. Supposedly, a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, a fire broke out, the building collapsed, and the victims died on impact or in the fire, or in the structural collapse. On September 11, Donald Rumsfeld declared all the missing persons to be dead, without having seen one body. The identity of each victim was known. Cause of death, date of death, circumstances of death -- all were established. The FBI has a DNA lab. What mysteries required the services of the Smithsonian "bone guys"? MADE-TO-ORDER AUTOPSY REPORTS Ah! When you check out the history of Owsley and Ubelaker, the lights come on! The bone guys use the magic of their prestige to turn a wish into a fact. Their names, along with the prestige of the Smithsonian Institution, will ensure no member of the medical examiner or forensic community will ever challenge those reports. [Footnote 1] Want the headless corpse of David Koresh's 8-year old son Cyrus to have died of suffocation? Or maybe a head injury? Or whatever? Dr. Owsley will lend his name that effort. See pages 2, 3 of Cyrus Koresh's autopsy report: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-2/67-2_aut.html Want the headless, armless, legless corpse of Davidian John McBean to have died of asphyxiation? Dr. Douglas Ubelaker will help you whistle that one through -- without ever raising a question about how poor Mr. McBean managed to lose his head, both arms, and both legs during the process of his asphyxiation. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/32/32_pix.html and pages 1, 6 of Mr. McBean's autopsy report: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/32/32_aut.html Want a political assassination in Toledo to look like a fire victim at the Pentagon? You got it. Want an autopsy report that no other medical examiner in the world would question? You got it. Just ask the Smithsonian "bone guys" to sign off on whatever autopsy report you wish to write. Any fantastic cover-up excuse for a death becomes scientific fact. When important people are assassinated and circumstances of their deaths must be covered up, only the best people are used. In light of all the evidence we have looked at so far, doesn't the presence of Drs. Ubelaker and Owsley in the Pentagon 9-11 team make you just a little uncomfortable? PENTAGON VICTIMS ON A HIT LIST? Put it all together: It is possible that some of the 125 victims who died on 9-11 at the Pentagon had been specially selected for the death list, and had been killed by other means; perhaps the fire/building collapse/delayed rescue scenario was set up as a diversion and to destroy evidence. That's how they did it in Waco. And we see the same crowd present, and in control, at the Pentagon, along with a spectacular fireball explosion, an uncontrollable fire, structural collapse, and a sham rescue. It's looking like deja vu all over again. Now we must turn our attention to administrative matters. MEET WACO WAYNE As mentioned above, at the time of the February 28, 1993 raid on the Mt. Carmel Center, the commander of the Special Operations Command was Gen. Wayne Allan Downing ("Waco Wayne"). Try to find an official US military biography of Downing on the net -- detailed biographies such as these of Gens. Shelton, Myers, Eberhart, etc., already cited. This writer tried, but could not do so, even though I could find bios on other "retired" or even deceased members of the military. Specific details of Downing's background -- exactly where he was when --have been smudged out. What's to hide? Surely he and the US military is proud of what he did to the moms and kids at Waco. Waco Wayne is now the Zionists' terrorism tsar. He is the special terrorism "consultant" who reports to National security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge. http://www.Public-Action.com/911/downing.html Here is a recent photo of Mr. Helter-Skelter himself, disguised as a human in a business suit. http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wacowayne.jpg SHELTON SUCCEEDS WACO WAYNE Waco Wayne's handling of bogus Davidian rescue attempt was so ham fisted that he was eventually forced to retire. (See Appendix for details.) Gen. Henry Hugh Shelton succeeded Downing as Commander of the Special Operations Command in 1996. http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/doc/w_doc11.html In 1997, William S. Cohen, then Secretary of Defense, selected Shelton as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (Recall that Cohen introduced the Special Ops legislation in the Senate. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/keyplayers/shelton071697.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-cjcs) And to bring matters full circle: Here was Shelton on September 11, 2001, silently betraying his command, silently assisting in the murders of 125 Americans. "And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from anything that may destroy them." PART IV THE BIG PICTURE The Purpose Of 9-11 9-11 Chabad Lubavitch Bash Theory And Practice Of Talmudic Law Why FBI Took Charge Of War ZoneLadies and Gentlemen of The US Military THE PURPOSE OF 9-11 The 9-11 terror served Israeli purposes, and continues to serve them. Allow me to explain how. George Bush claims that the 9-11 terror was perpetrated by MUSLIMS who were jealous of our freedom. But do politicians always tell the truth? For several decades, Congress and various presidents, including both Bush I and Bush II, have been laying the groundwork to turn America into a theocracy controlled by Jewish rabbis. Bush the Elder's administration passed the groundwork legislation. You can read the full story, "Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD," at: http://www.Public-Action.com/christmas.html In brief: In the new Jewish-designed American theocracy, Gentiles will be forced to join a synthetic religion, designed by rabbis for a servant class. Gentiles who insist on maintaining their own religious practices will be put to death (beheaded) for idolatry. Christian religious holidays such as Christmas, Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, will be abolished. There will be two sets of laws, and two court systems, for America: one for Jews, and one for Gentiles. Gentile education in mathematics, science, history, English, social studies, computers, technical subjects, will be severely limited. A powerful, monied Jewish sect is at the vanguard of this movement for a world-wide Jewish theocracy. The name of the sect is Chabad Lubavitch. And no, Chabad Lubavitch is not an aberration within Judaism; it relies upon the teachings of the Talmud and other classical works of Judaism. You may often hear the Lubavitchers described as "ultra-Orthodox," meaning they are right in line with the fundamental doctrines of Judaism. President Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleicsher, is a Lubvaticher. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the former candidate for the US Vice Presidency, have all publicly declared their support for Chabad Lubavitch. As already mentioned, it was the North American Aerospace Defense Command, NORAD, that almost certainly sent the remotely controlled jets to crash into their targets on 9-11. Sen. Carl Levin is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. And it was Sen. Carl Levin's committee that listened to the testimony of Vice-Chairman of the JCS, Gen. Richard Myers, and NORAD Commander Ralph Eberhart after 9-11, and allowed them to bob and weave, and lie, lie, lie. http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend2.html Can you imagine trying to pull off 9-11 without having Levin in your pocket? Oh, yes, I should have mentioned -- Levin is a supporter of Chabad Lubavitch. Of course Levin's Senate hearings were a set up. Levin knows who pulled off 9-11. Levin knows whose interests 9-11 serves. And it is significant that NORAD's second-in command on 9-11, Canadian Lt. Gen. Ken Pennie, contradicted the testimony Myers and Eberhart gave to Levin. http://www.Public-Action.com/911/levin.html Did you know that the Undersecretary and Comptroller of the Department of Defense, Dov Zakheim, is an ordained Orthodox Jewish rabbi, and that he, too, openly supports Chabad Lubavitch? 9-11 CHABAD LUBAVITCH BASH In fact, on October 11, 2001, 500 emissaries of Chabad Lubavitch from all over the world gathered opposite the Pentagon 9-11 crash site and held a birthday kickoff celebration of their late guru, Rabbi Menachem Mandel Schneerson. The birthday celebration kickoff was combined with a "memorial service" for those who died at the Pentagon on 9-11. The rabbis acting as masters of ceremony for the event sang a Jewish religious song, "Oseh Shalom," along with -- of course -- "God Bless America." You expected they would leave that out? If you search google.com on the terms "Oseh Shalom" and "lyrics," you will discover a number of translations similar to this one: "May he who makes peace in high places, make peace for us and for all Israel, and let us say, amen." Officially, the 9-11 terrorism had nothing to do with Israel. Nothing at all. Factually, however, the dream of Jewish world domination had everything in common with events since the 9-11 catastrophe. By this war, the Jewish supremacy movement hopes the US will annihilate Islam. Islam is the most vigorous religious rival to Judaism. How does the "peace for Israel" sung about in "Oseh Shalom" relate to 9 11? Think back to the massive slaughter of Palestinians (and other Muslims) Israel has been able to effect since 9 11. There is no sweeter peace to be found than at the graveyard of one's enemy . . . Rabbi Dov Zakheim took some time off his DoD duties on October 11, 2001, to speak at the Chabad Lubavitch event. He called America the "greatest country in the world" (you expected something different?) and then "delivered a dvar Torah (sermon), expounding on the halachic (Jewish law) requirements of a poor man bringing a meal offering in the Temple." http://www.15minutesmagazine.com/events_0204-07.htm cached at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-15minutes Now that's an important theme to bring up at a memorial service, isn't it? It gives a clear indication of where the Lubavitchers' attention was focussed. Remember, this dude is the DoD Comptroller and Undersecretary for Defense. THEORY AND PRACTICE OF TALMUDIC LAW "And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from anything that may destroy them." Those words are from the Babylonian Talmud (the fundamental holy book of Judaism), Tractate Sabbath. Chapter XVI (115a) begins with a condemnation of all holy scriptures from other religions, in particular the scriptures of Christians ("minim"): "R[abbi] Tarfon said: May I bury my son if I would not burn them together with their Divine Names if they came to my hand." It continues through a tirade against Christians personally: "For even if one pursued me to slay me, or a snake pursued me to bite me, I would enter a heathen Temple [for refuge], but not the houses of these [people], for the latter know [of God] yet deny [Him], whereas the former are ignorant and deny [Him] . . ." And it culminates (in 116a) with this: "R[abbi] Ishmael said: . . . these, who stir up jealousy, enmity, and wrath between Israel and their Father in Heaven, how much more so; and of them David said, Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? And am I not grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with a perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. 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