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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:19:58 -0500
From: Rich Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: The UN if filled with Jerks?


Good point, but our only recourse is to vote against every politician
who votes to pour more of our tax dollars on this international
embarrassment.
DOWN WITH THE UNITED NATIONS.

Rich Martin
Editor, Slick eZine


On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:24:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I agree the UN in filled with Jerks of the highest degree and the US
> should bow out immediately.
>   Will the UN allow the US to take over Iraq all by its self?  No
> way!
>       Will the UN allow the US to pull its troops out of  Europe and
>
> place them in Iraq - I don't think so -
>             Do we care if Iraq rides camels instead of driving
> auto's?
>  No as long as we get the oil ...
>
> Jim
>
> >September 13, 2002
> >Who is the Madman Here?
> >Bush's UN Non-Sequiturs
> >by Tom Gorman
> >
> >President Bush spoke to the UN General Assembly on Thursday,
> September 12
> >about the supposedly urgent need to attack Iraq. The following is a
> list of
> >statements made by him that are either illogical, half-truths, or
> outright
> >falsehoods, with responses to each.
> >
> >1. "Twelve years ago, Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation."
> >
> >Kuwait had been slant-drilling the Iraqi oil field of Rumallah as
> well as
> >driving down the price of oil at a time when Iraq was in desperate
> need of
> >funds to rebuild its infrastructure after the Iran-Iraq War (in
> which Iraq
> >was the favored state of the US). While it is arguable whether this
> was
> >justification for an invasion, this provocation is significantly
> less
> >specious than that cited for, say, the American invasion of Panama
> seven
> >months earlier.
> >
> >2. "And the regime's forces were poised to continue their march to
> seize
> >other countries and their resources."
> >
> >Satellite imagery showed no Iraqi military buildup in the border
> regions with
> >Saudi Arabia in either Iraq or occupied Kuwait in September 1990,
> as revealed
> >in a series of articles in the <St.Petersburg> (FL) Times in
> January 1991.
> >Yet the elder President Bush fabricated this "aggression" to
> justify
> >Operation Desert Shield.
> >
> >3. "Had Saddam Hussein been appeased instead of stopped, he would
> have
> >endangered the peace and stability of the world. Yet this
> aggression was
> >stopped by the might of coalition forces and the will of the United
> Nations."
> >
> >Hussein was appeased by coalition forces. After the cease-fire of
> March 1991,
> >Hussein asked for permission to fly air strikes against rebels in
> both the
> >northern and southern no-fly zones of Iraq. The elder Bush granted
> Hussein's
> >wish, even though the American President had publicly encouraged
> the Kurdish
> >population of Iraq to rise up. Hussein brutally suppressed the
> rebellion.
> >
> >4. "In 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the
> Iraqi regime
> >cease at once the repression of its own people, including the
> systematic
> >repression of minorities, which the council said threatened
> international
> >peace and security in the region. This demand goes ignored."
> >
> >Of course it goes ignored, considering Bush's father gave Hussein
> the green
> >light to continue his brutal suppression of Iraq's minorities.
> >
> >5. "Last year, the UN Commission on Human Rights found that Iraq
> continues to
> >commit extremely grave violations of human rights and that the
> regime's
> >repression is all-pervasive."
> >
> >Yes, and UN organizations have also repeatedly stated the
> devastating effects
> >of US-led sanctions on the people of Iraq. Should Iraq then call on
> the
> >international community to attack the US?
> >
> >6. "Tens of thousands of political opponents and ordinary citizens
> have been
> >subjected to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution
> and torture
> >by beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation and
> rape."
> >
> >Unfortunately, this is quite the norm in many places in the Middle
> East,
> >including close American allies Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Pakistan.
> >
> >7. "In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a
> former
> >American president."
> >
> >In retaliation for this attempted assassination, evidence of which
> was
> >dubious at best, the Clinton Administration launched 24 cruise
> missiles
> >against Baghdad, killing six civilians, including artist Laila
> al-Attar. By
> >this standard, Iraq could launch cruise missiles at Washington, as
> their
> >leader has been the object of several assassination attempts by the
> US. (They
> >would, of course, have to get in line behind Cuba, whose leader has
> been the
> >target of American assassination attempts for much longer.)
> >
> >8. "United Nations' inspections also reviewed that Iraq likely
> maintains
> >stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the
> regime is
> >rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical
> weapons."
> >
> >The technology for such chemical and biological weapons was, of
> course, first
> >given to Hussein by the US. The "Butcher of Baghdad" joyfully used
> this
> >capacity against Iran (the intended targets of the American
> "largesse") as
> >well as against Iraq's Kurdish minority (a nice ancillary benefit).
> The
> >details of this American support for Hussein's chemical weapons
> program were
> >detailed in an August 18, 2002 front-page article in The New York
> Times.
> >
> >9. "We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would
> likely
> >have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993."
> >
> >Making it only the second nation in the region to be so armed
> (third if we
> >count Pakistan). Israel, of course, sought to maintain its
> neighborhood
> >nuclear monopoly by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, an
> action
> >condemned by the US so as to show support for its new ally, Saddam
> Hussein.
> >
> >10. "Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced or
> cast
> >aside without consequence?"
> >
> >>From Israel's 35-year-old refusal to abide by Security Council
> Resolution
> >242, which calls for an immediate end to the US client's occupation
> of the
> >West Bank and Gaza and citing "the inadmissibility of the
> acquisition of
> >territory by war" (the same rationale which compelled the Security
> Council to
> >condemn the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait), "cast aside without
> consequence"
> >seems to reflect the position of the American government.
> >
> >11. "We want the resolutions of the world's most important
> multilateral body
> >to be enforced."
> >
> >Read the above as, "We want those resolutions--and only those
> >resolutions--aimed at America's official enemies to be enforced."
> >
> >12. "If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all
> support
> >for terrorism and act to suppress it--as all states are required to
> do by UN
> >Security Council resolutions."
> >
> >Strange words from the leader of the only nation to be condemned by
> the World
> >Court for terrorism, namely the United States terrorist war against
>
> >Nicaragua.
> >
> >13. "If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of
> its
> >civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkemens and
> >others--again, as required by Security Council resolutions."
> >
> >And again, standards to which US allies are not only not held but
> are
> >actively supported in violating (Indonesia murdering the Timorese,
> Israel's
> >ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, Turkey brutally oppressing its
> Kurdish
> >minority). Never mind that, as stated above, Hussein's suppression
> of his
> >domestic population was encouraged and supported by the US--both
> before and
> >after the Gulf War.
> >
> >14. "If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account
> for all
> >Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown."
> >
> >Assuming they were even so inclined, it is unlikely that the Iraqi
> >infrastructure--destroyed by over a decade of sanctions and
> bombing--is
> >capable of making any accounting for missing coalition military
> personnel.
> >Accounting for the more than 200,000 civilians killed by those
> coalition
> >forces is itself an impossible task.
> >
> >15. "If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all
> illicit
> >trade outside the Oil-for-Food program. It will accept U.N.
> administration of
> >funds from that program to ensure that the money is used fairly and
> promptly
> >for the benefit of the Iraqi people."
> >
> >Demanding that Iraq "accept U.N. administration of funds from"
> Oil-for-Food
> >makes as much sense as demanding that a prisoner serving a
> life-sentence
> >"accept" that he is incarcerated. All money from the Oil-for-Food
> program is
> >kept in a UN-administered account at the Bank of Paris in New York.
> Roughly
> >thirty percent of that goes to pay the UN administration costs and
> >reparations to Kuwait. The remainder is not spent on palaces,
> weapons, or
> >anything else Hussein might desire, for he never sees or controls
> the money.
> >
> >16. "The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people.
> They've suffered
> >too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is a
> great moral
> >cause and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq deserve it."
> >
> >Indeed, but liberty from whom? From the former American client,
> Saddam
> >Hussein, who falls in and out of grace of the US, or
> Anglo-American-led
> >sanctions that intentionally seek to deprive the Iraqi people of
> the most
> >basic necessities of life? What is it exactly that the people of
> Iraqi
> >deserve? Apparently, not even the means to repair their water
> filtration
> >systems to prevent children from dying by the hundreds from
> diarrhea.
> >
> >17. "Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest.
> And open
> >societies do not threaten the world with mass murder."
> >
> >Except, of course, the United States, which threatened the entire
> world with
> >destruction for forty years, thinking billions of people better
> dead than
> >Red.
> >
> >Bush's thesis seems to be simple: Iraq cannot have nuclear weapons.
> This
> >seems reasonable only for the two seconds that it takes to realize
> that Bush
> >is the leader of the only country ever to use nuclear weapons in
> anger.
> >Hussein is not allowed even to contemplate a horrible act for which
> the
> >United States remains not only unapologetic, but even proud.
> >
> >Who is the madman here?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Consensus negates LEADERSHIP ...
> Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what they will have
> for lunch.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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