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--- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector-8:24 A.M. -- The pilot of Flight 11, John Ogonowski, activates the talk-back button, enabling Boston air traffic controllers to hear a hijacker on Flight 11 say to the passengers: "We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you will be OK. We are returning to the airport." A controller responds, ''Who's trying to call me?'' The hijacker continues, "Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet." [8:24:38, Guardian, 10/17/01, 8:24:38, New York Times, 10/16/01, 8:24, Boston Globe, 11/23/01, 8:28, New York Times, 9/12/01, before 8:28, Channel 4 News, 9/13/01] Immediately after hearing this voice, the controller "knew right then that he was working a hijack." [Village Voice, 9/13/01] The transponder beacon and radio have been off for 10 minutes, the flight has been off course for about 4 minutes and only now he knows its a hijack? Yet still, no one notifies NORAD for another 14 minutes? And jet fighters are not ordered to scramble until 8:46, some 22 minutes after a hijacking is known with certainty to be underway, and 29 minutes after the control tower loses contact with the airliner.
8:46 A.M. -- Flight 77 from Washington goes severely off course. According to FAA regulations a fighter should have scrambled to see what was going on, regardless of any excuses from the pilot. Flight 11 had just hit the North Tower of the WTC. Fifty-five minutes later, at 9:41, Flight 77 slams into the Pentagon. Why, in the space of nearly an hour, with three airliners known to be simultaneously hijacked and one of them already crashed into the World Trade Center, are dozens of jet fighters not allowed to scramble, so that they might quickly intercept any additional airliner that is hijacked? Why, in the space of nearly an hour, can no jet fighter reach Flight 77 before it crashes into the Pentagon?9:24 A.M. -- The FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 "may" have been hijacked and appears to be headed towards Washington. [9:24, NORAD, 9/18/01, 9:24, AP, 8/19/02, 9:25, CNN, 9/17/01, 9:25, Washington Post, 9/12/01, 9:25, Guardian, 10/17/01]. This notification is 34 MINUTES after flight control lost contact with the plane and well after two planes have crashed, and even then the FAA only says "may"? Is such a long delay believable, or has that information been doctored to cover the lack of any scrambling of fighters? 9:33 A.M. -- According to the New York Times, Flight 77 was lost at 8:56 when it turned off its transponder, and stayed lost until now. Washington air traffic control sees a fast moving blip on their radar at this time and sends a warning to Dulles Airport in Washington. [New York Times, 10/16/01]. Is it conceivable that an airplane could be lost inside US air space for 37 minutes? One doesn't need a transponder signal to get a radar signal! And if the plane was really "lost" for all this time, then on what basis did the FAA warn that the plane was headed towards Washington at 9:24? And why is it that the Bush administration is so dead set against any independent investigation of exactly what went wrong between the FAA and NORAD on 9/11?For more, go to:www.unansweredquestions.netRichard-----Original Message-----
From: petra patten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BCY2K] scrambled eggsHi
In regard to the intercepted airplanes there seems to be quite some misunderstanding in the general public. The general understanding (or should we say: belief?) goes that the airforce did not send fighters up to intercept the hijacked planes.
That is wrong.
In the case of the first hijacked plane no.11 which finally hit the worldtradecenter at 8:45 two 7-15 pilots got informed at 8:40 to get ready to scramble up. And at 8:46 (other sources talk of 8:44 or 8:45)they took off to do their job. They took off to intercept the hijacked plane (all this information can be found on site: "The
complete 9/11 timeline" at:
<www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/index.htm).
Which of course was too late since the first tower got hit the same minute. But what this information tells us is the fact that the airforce did take action and indeed send fighters up to intercept!! They were absolutely aware of the hijackings and they took action. It is wrong to assume that they didn´t do anything. They knew and they acted as is known in regard to the flight no. 11 So the question is altogether a different one: why did they not do anything in regard to flights no 77 and 175 which supposedly destroyed the second tower of the wtc and the pentagon? The airforce knew of it and had send two f-15 up to intercept flight no.11. Which reasons did they have not to do the same with the other 2 or 3 flights?
Guess why!
In regard to flight no.175 which supposedly hit the pentagon the answer is simple. If they would have send a pilot up to intercept the plane there would have been one eyewitness of what happened. Cause to me is fact that this plane did not crash into the pentagon. Having seen the pictures of the
pentagon few minutes after the destruccion had happened I know that it can´t have been a boeing that destroyed it.
But where did the plane end up after all? Was it flewn directly into the atlantic ocean or to a military airport? We don´t know yet - thanx to the airforce that did not send fighters scrambling up.
My warmest regards
Petra
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