-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Euphorian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: "Who's not identical ...
> -Caveat Lector- > > 11/26/02 10:58:51 AM, Nurev Ind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >-Caveat Lector- > > >> How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a > >> completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. > > > >Your delineation's are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/ > >Arabs are ETHNIC delineation's. Moslems are people who are followers of > >Islam. John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate > >gene pool. > > How do you know this? Because the genetic studies were made across a wide spectrum of ethnicities. They discovered that even though Jews lived in Europe for over 2000 years, very little intermarriage went on between them and their neighbors. Since John is a European ethnically, the statement is valid. > Taleban John is a poor choice to begin with because he acquired > the religion. (Talk about mixing apples and artichokes!) I guess selective reading is like selective hearing eh? That's exactly what I said to correct Prudy's misstatement. > >> How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a > >> completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. > I took it to mean that the > comparison was among those who ewere indigenous and therefore most likely to be > related. That's right. > But the point remains that unless every populations' pools are tested, there's no > way for anyone to determine and ascertain this. Unless -- of course -- the information is > channelled. No such thing as channeled. And yes, they did do a very broad spectrum of humanity. > >They migrated to the Turkish province which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and > >Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe. > > What? Does everyone need to rub their eyes here? Around the middle of the 19th century, > the trend toward reestablishing a "Zionist" homeland came into vogue. It wasn't a " vogue " dude. It was a necessity. You see Jews have this strange thing about wanting to survive. > The great thrust > came with Tommy Herzl's That's Theodore or Teddy. > little book and his expanded hobby known as "Zionism" that was > based, of course, on his impressions that so long as some people can't seem to get along > with the Europeans, they may as well go somewhere else. Yeah that must be it. > Disapora for ever. I had as > much trouble with that book as I did with *Mein Kampf* (which espoused the same aims, > ridding Europe of some religious groups), neither of which I finished (so I can't decide > which is the more vile). Who cares? Since you are not Jewish, your opinion about " our thing " is totally irrelevant. (Excuse me while I insert some data here.) > > http://www.cet.edu/earthinfo/meast/israel/IPtopic2.html > """The demographics of Palestine began to change dramatically in the 1920?s and 1930?s as > there was increased immigration of European Jews into the mandate. This immigration was > the result of several factors, most notably being the rise of Zionist ideology and the > worsening political condition for Jews in such states as Germany. This is correct. > Zionism (or Jewish > nationalism) is a combination of religious faith and pragmatic politics. This is totally wrong. Zionism was primarily socialist, and there was also a right wing faction. But it had nothing to do with the religious motivation. > The Jewish religion > and culture are permeated with the symbols of the connection of the Jewish people to the > land of Israel. The Jews consider themselves a displaced people living in exile after having > been dispersed around the world. The concept of the right of return is central to the Jewish > tradition. This is true. > > """Politically, there was a fear that growing anti- Semitism in places such as Russia/Soviet > Union and Nazi Germany made it impossible for Jews to assimilate into the political and > economic structures of the Gentiles and therefore, there was a need to create a Jewish > homeland. Actually it way predates the Nazis. Zionism grew exponentially with the advent of the Nazis in the thirties. But alas the allies of the Nazis, the Palestinian Arabs, got their Saudi Arab budies to pressure the Brits and Roosevelt to restrict Jewish immigration to British Palestine when they needed it most and when they wouldn't allow Jews to immigrate to England or the USA either. This is why Israel will remain a Jewish State. So that millions of Jews won't have to depend on people like you again. > This had profound effects on local demographics. In the 1880's Jews accounted > for about 6 percent of the population of Palestine, this number rising to about 8 percent in > 1918, 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939.""" Both populations fluctuated but the Brits restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine and did not restrict Arab immigration from Egypt, Syria, an the newly invented TransJordan which the Brits carved out of Palestine to pay off the Hashemites. This is ARAB PALESTINE taken from the land promised to the Jews by the Brits and the French who were reinventing the Middle East by creating Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, TransJordan, Palestine, and of course Saudi Arabia. So you see it's no argument to say that the Europeans had no right to give the Jews Palestine. They had no right to invent all those Arab states either. BUT THEY DID. They had no right to create Muslim Pakistan. But they did. That's the reality of geopolitics. > > >There is no genetic connection between Cananites, Jews, and especially Arabs who didn't > >really live in that part of the world. They lived mostly in the Arabian interior. Then they > >pushed out with the military expansion of Islam. > > The bestest Talmud came from Babylon, no? Yeah? So what's your point? > Anyway, they all are supposed to be > descendants of Shem, ergo "Semites". More non-sense. Semites are not real descendants of anyone. Semites are a language group. > But, again, how can your claim about genetic > connections be made? More channeling? > > And about your Phoenicians, > > http://phoenicia.org/history.html > """ The Phoenicians, whose lands corresponds to present-day Lebanon and coastal parts of > Israel and Syria, probably arrived in the region in about 3000 B.C. They established > commercial and religious connections were established with Egypt after about 2613 BC and > continued until the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom and the invasion of Phoenicia by the > Amorites (c. 2200 BC). """ > > >It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives Jews > >the claim. > > Long is the story and short is the history of the story. I'm sure you think this is witty, but I have no idea what you mean. > The point remains that Israeliens are > supposed to be there BECAUSE of their religion (hence, the "Jewish State") and to claim > that the book doesn't play a big part in the history is ... is ... unbelievable. Man, are you dyzlkksik? Read the damn sentence again... >>>It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives Jews >>>the claim. The story in the Bible says that god gave the land to the Jews. To me, an atheist, and to all the other religions who don't believe the Bible, this is irrelevant. This book of legends is not a deed to the land after 2000 years. It's the reality of having built a culture and civilization IN THAT PLACE which makes the idea of return real enough for people to walk from Russia to the Middle East to re-establish that tie. > I mean, like, the > Book of Joshua starts almost immediately with visions of conquest of the lands from > the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and this vision has been repeated in modern times (like > right now ... in progress). Good. Are you saying that the Jews shouldn't do what the Arabs did? Conquer land and keep it? Are you ready to give back the American Southwest to Mexico? How about the illegal annexation of Hawaii? They want their land back. I don't understand what's wrong with those people. Why don't they strap on explosive belts and blow up white women and children like your Pals do. Listen buddy. It's clear that you and many others think that you will impose behavior on the Jews which you won't do yourself. WE understand where this comes from and don't really give a shit what you think. If you are a serious person who cares about the oppressed, you have plenty of opportunity to demonstrate doing the right thing right here in the good ol' USA. Give the Mexicans back the land that you stole without a Balfour Declaration, and without having been there first. Then give back Hawaii. But until you turn your house and land over to an oppressed Indian family and then leave the country, I don't want to hear all this hypocritical bullshit about a situation 7,000 miles away which is really none of your damn business anyway. > > We got it right despite some people's being long on insults and short on facts and > references. > > >It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION. > > I'll keep this in mind next time my car gets stolen. Or my tax money gets redistributed. 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