Quoting Brooks Davis <[email protected]> (from Thu, 12 Mar 2009
09:17:41 -0500):
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:23:59PM +0000, Robert Watson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
I think there could be a useful project to be done on fleshing out kernel
SDT providers, but that we need to come up with a more specific
description if we want it to be useful for GSoC. We also need to
identify a potential mentor for the project who can field questions
during the proposal process, potentially mentor the project, and so on.
To have it on the ideas list we don't need a GSoC mentor... basically I
say that I think that the DTraceToolkit stuff should stay on the ideas
list in some form (doesn't matter to me if it is marked up fro the GSoC or
not).
On the ideas list, perhaps, but I feel increasingly strongly that no idea
without a technical contact should be tagged as GSoC-appropriate, and that
we should also have mentors in mind for every project there.
Pre-submission interaction improves not just the quality of the proposal,
but also gives us an early sense as to whether they have the right skills
so that they can tune the proposal to what it turns out the students are
able to do. I also feel we shouldn't invite people to submit proposals on
an idea if we don't have someone willing to mentor them, because we've had
that happen and it's unproductive :-).
I agree. To be blunt and specific, I plan to remove all class="soc"
specifications on projects that don't have a contact listed before our
project profile is posted. That doesn't mean we won't accept gsoc
proposals on untagged projects or that we can't list them, but the bar
will be higher. I'm also not entirely convinced we should list ideas
I see the point for the soc...
without technical contacts, but that's a separate discussion.
... but I don't see it for the main ideas list. It's not a "I'm
willing to mentor this project"-list. The purpose is to give ideas. If
there's no technical contact, it means the person which wants to
approach the idea has to have "enough" (whatever this means) technical
expertise or at least needs to be willing to get it. If we would only
allow stuff with technical contacts, we wouldn't ever get something
done like the new USB code. Nobody was willing to be a technical
contact for this for a long time, and then someone stepped forward
after there was something to work with. Some people may think the USB
stuff is not a good example, but fact is we have it in the tree now
and it is better than what we had before. And nobody was doing some
handholding until it was at a stage where a lot of people where
patching it into FreeBSD themself.
Bye,
Alexander.
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When all else fails, read the instructions.
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