These are quite interesting links, the picture gallery has a picture of just about every small arm the US uses in about every circumstance possible: http://www.pica.army.mil/pmsa http://w4.pica.army.mil/oicw The OICW page has an MPEG of the 20mm grenade being fired at night. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___________________________________________________________ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics