On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: > > From: Igor Pechtchanski > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:14 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know it's a mailing list name, but AHEM... > > Subject: Re: Prefab Program Selections (was: RE: Regrouping > > on "installation profile" idea) > > > > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:20:26PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > > > >On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote: > > > >So, does ".Task-oriented Bundles" make sense to people? Or > > > >".Usage-oriented Bundles"? > > > > > > I think either makes sense, yes. Could you do an ASCII > > > representation of what you'd expect the screen to look like? > > > > With the maximized chooser, of course: > > > > [+] All () Default > > [+] .Usage-oriented bundles () Default > > 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k GCC Development > > 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k LaTeX > > Development > > 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k SSH Server > > 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Web Server > > 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k X Windows > > [+] Admin () Default > > [+] Archive () Default > > ... > > > > Looking at the above, ".Intended Use" makes even more sense, IMO. > > BTW, I see no reason to not use spaces in the names of these packages. > > Things like ".Intended Use", "Installation Type", etc make sense the very > first time somebody installs. The next time that person touches setup on > their machine, ".Intended Use" only causes confusion, as I described in my > reply to Mr. Tacvek. I can guarantee you with proverbial metaphysical > certitude that the messages on the lists asking "I installed all of Cygwin, > why can't I run <<program they didn't install>>?!?!" will not only not go > away, but will be joined by a chorus of people asking (and understandably > so): > > - "I accidentally installed Cygwin for the Intended Use of an SSH server, > when I really wanted to do C programming! I'm using a 300-baud smoke-signal > modem, and there's no way I'm going to redownload the Full Cygwin > Installation (FCI(tm))! What do I do?!?!" > - Q: "Do I need to install Cygwin on two separate machines to do C > development and Perl development?" > - A: "Well, the easiset way to do this is to install CygWINE, run two > virtual Windows machines, and install a separate Cygwin on each one." > - "How can I manually edit the registry so I can use both the "SSH Server" > Installation Type AND the "X Windows" Intended Use? I can't believe the > idiots who wrote setup didn't allow for this!" > > Metaphysical. Certitude. After a hearty LOL, I can't help but agree. ".Intended Use" does have an implication of being the only one. How about ".Needed Functionality"? Or even ".Intended Use (more than one can be selected)"? > > Pasting the below from private mail, to make sure it doesn't get lost: > > > > Later, when setup is changed to put package name first in > > category view, something like this would make sense too: > > > > [+] All () Default > > [+] .I would like to... () Default > > Develop programs using GCC 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k > > Run X windows 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k > > Run the SSHD server 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k > > Run the Apache web server 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k > > Write documents using LaTeX 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k > > [+] Admin () Default > > [+] Archive () Default > > ... > > Now that I like. Yeah, me too. But, pasting the rest of that private mail: ============================================================================== The problem is that you wouldn't actually see the above, you'd see something like: [+] All () Default [+] .I would like to... () Default 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Devel 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Run X 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Run t 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Run t 1.0-1 () Keep n/a [ ] 1k Write [+] Admin () Default ... (at least until the chooser is maximized). Oh, well, so much for that idea. ============================================================================== That about says it all. We can't adopt something that requires special support from setup (yet, that is). Once a version of setup with the necessary changes becomes mainstream and the older versions are deprecated, we can revisit the category/bundle naming issue. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! If there's any real truth it's that the entire multidimensional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. /DA