John Kelsey wrote:
 
> I wasn't thinking of Al Qaida.  There are a *lot* of people who might like
> to have a last-ditch deterrent against a US invasion or other action.


I can think of a few workable deterrents against US invasion:

- ICBMS
- an army with a reputation of fighting nastily when attacked
- a serious US-based political lobby friendly to the country 

Russian, China, and Britain have all three. France has one and two
halves these days.

The logic is that Israel should join the permanent membership of the
Security Council - and India is a candidate as well.

That's all the permanent members are really, a gang of countries who
agreed not to fight each other because they had the nukes, so had to be
sure to tell the others when they were going to pick on third-party
country in case two of them picked on the same victim and ended up
fighting each other by accident. The Security Council was nothing to do
with the rule of international law (bye-bye
Richard-Might-is-Right-Perle, I hope the rest of the warmongers take the
pension-reducing plunge soon)  and everything to do with the logic of
MAD and carving up the world into spheres on influence. 

(And North Korea is in the Chinese sphere of influence, which is why the
US leaves policing their nukes up to China.)

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