On 2 Apr 2003 at 22:02, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:

> 
> "Christer establishment"?  Are you out of your mind?  We're talking 
> about a country where a big stink was raised just because someone found 
> the word "god" on a spelling list.....

This is irrelevant.You are looking at specifcs of court ordered behavior to fit the 
requirements of the 1A, which has very little to do with the behavior of the 
government in non-1A situations. Consider virtually the entire House (when was the 
last time you saw the entire House do anything) reciting the "under God" part of the 
pledge or singing "God Bless America" which was done specifically in response to 
people asking for a more secular display of patriotism, the countless 'in God we 
trust' 
LAWS being passed throughout the country, the very direct involvement of religious 
leaders (Graham, Robertson etc) in the White House, and the fact that EVERY move 
to suppress 'drugs' or 'pornography' or 'gambling' is associated with a flood of 
religious terminology.

This country, despite the lines in the sand drawn by some of the courts, is obsessed 
with religion, and very superstitious, small minded religion at that.

Jay

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