>
> At 2:38 PM -0800 2/25/00, Anton STIGLIC wrote:
> > LogJam
> >
> > by CryptoPunk
>
> Hardly. This bozo doesn't deserve to rip off our name for his nonsensical
> rants.
What name did I rip off?
>
> ...
> >certain image, and more. Web servers are tracing your identity and
> >keeping track of your movement and habits, this is an invasion of your
> >privacy. Think of a web server as being a public grocery store, in
> >society you have the right to go buy a loaf of bread without having the
> >grocery clerk scan you, without revealing for example your telephone number,
> >social insurance number or the store you went to just before.
>
> Straw man. A grocery store will not have home phone numbers, social
> insurance/insecurity numbers, etc., unless these are offered.
>
> A better analogy is this: does a grocery store owner have the "right" to
> remember the fact that Tim May bought several sixpacks of beer on his trip
> to the grocer's store?
That's what they say to regular users of the net, just like a regular user
of the net you seem to beleive that crap!
When a web server is logging your ID, and the web page you came from, and
then selling this info to other companies, they are selling your identity,
not just what you bought from the grocery store.
>
> Of course.
If you are happy with that, fine. Personaly, I'm not.
>
> For voluntary transactions, property owners may remember what they wish to
> remember. They may also ask for information. Of course, a customer is free
> to decline the transaction.
>
You just said it, a customer is free to decline the transaction. What
happens on the web is that people are giving all the information without
even knowing they are, that's the bad part.
> (Usually a store will favor completing a sale over collecting personal
> information. Rarely is the demographic data they seek more valuable than
> the profit on the sale; all the more so if the customer plans to walk away
> from the transaction if the information is a condition of the transaction
> being completed. Cases where vendors "demand" identity, personal
> information, etc., are almost always cases where government has required
> them to collect age or identity credentials and has established monopoly
> power over such transactions. Guns, cigarettes, booze, and contraceptives
> being the common examples.)
>
> Failing to understand this essential element of voluntary transactions in a
> free society marks the rest of your line of reasoning as pointless to read.
If you want to just be like everybody else, that's just fine with me....
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Hmmm, you have the words encryption, anonymous, pseudonyms, zero knowledge,
collapse of governments, in your sig. Why? You seem to just like to
conform to the behavior the government has put on the society!
Anton
