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At 11:43 AM -0800 on 3/1/00, Tim May wrote:
> I thought you (R.A. Hettinga) agreed not to forward my articles to your
> stable of lists?
Actually, I may be wrong, but I'm not sure I agreed to that at all. What
I *did* agree to do, something I'm sure you remember, now, Tim, was not
to forward stuff from *other* lists -- particularly articles published
elsewhere mostly unrelated to cryptography -- to the cypherpunks list
anymore. Something which I haven't really done much of since, and,
technically, wasn't done in this case, the message in question being a
direct reply to me by "somebody" on a good point made by you, and which,
as you noted so correctly, I forwarded somewhere else. I made it a post
from "somebody", of course, because most folks who do such things already
know that I'm liable to do that from time to time, especially if I think
their comments are worth seeing by others.
> I dislike having people respond to my articles, in public or in private
> e-mail, when they have not been on the list I am writing for. They
> often lack context, and they are often even less well-mannered than if
> they had some context with me or the list.
I do agree that, in the act of filtering stuff from one place to another
on the net, things are lost in the compression, as it were. However, I
expect, upon reflection, that you yourself would acknowlege that "you own
your own words" is a fairly difficult doctrine to assert, especially on
cypherpunks, and especially in a world of multiple filtered variants of
same, not to mention the various archives, including, most particularly,
those at places like deja.com.
In addition, I think you'll note, if you look farther than the first line
or two, that the reply to you in question had something of a clue
imbedded in it. The person who sent it to me is well-known expert in
transaction/payment systems and e-money, has has built operating,
deployed, payment systems, has been quoted in places like the Economist,
for instance, has presented at least one paper at the Financial
Cryptography conference -- and, he has read your stuff, yes, filtered by
me, for most of 5 years, now.
> Also, some of your lists are closed lists and I cannot respond to the
> responses.
My lists are, for the most part, closed to posting from non-subscribers
in order to prevent spam. The actual subscription list, that is, who
stays on the list after they subscribe is, of course, another story,
especially if they flame *me*, but, hey, it's *my* list. And, yes, Tim,
if you want to be on a list of mine, the subscription's always open,
though I expect you'd find it boring, if not "clueless", having said as
much about them in the past. And, of course, the second you piss on my
shoes there, I *would* kick you off, having discovered myself,
personally, now, that property is indeed cool, and, frankly, I expect
that you wouldn't argue with my right to do so, either.
Typically, and I know it's not a very satisfactory solution, if someone
replies to a message like the one in question, and it does have a clue,
again in my opinion, I do my best to pass it back to the *list* in
question. Within the bounds of the list's topicality, and, of course, my
own personal opinions on such. Again, it's ugly, but there it is. In the
case of your reply, frankly, I forwarded it to the dbs list because you
meant it to go there and it bounced, and, as you said, you're not a
subscriber. I've cc'd this message there, now, in order to respond, and,
yes, it's also my choice to do so.
> If you are resuming your forwarding of my articles to your stable of
> e$spam and $ettlement lists, then I will rethink my "truce" with you
> here on this list.
Clearly, it *was* a *technical* distinction I made above, about
forwarding something to cypherpunks, however, and so, yes, Tim, threat
acknowleged. To wit: "Woops." :-/.
However, if you're going to bust my chops now for forwarding your
frequently quite trenchant comments elsewhere, I suppose you're going to
have to do your worst, Tim, because I'm not about to stop doing that any
time soon. I don't expect others here on cypherpunks who also do the same
will stop, either.
On the other hand, I hope I'm forgiven if I don't give you much
satisfaction in return, by dignifying any of your resulting invective
with a reply.
Cheers,
RAH
Who suspects that Tim might have nothing better to do with his time, and
is just trolling for a fight, to bring something this trivial up again
for a rehash. Something, I, for one, am not going to give much notice to,
however unfortunate that may turn out, either for my own reputation, or
his. Life is too short for this kind of thing anymore, I think. At least
it is for me, anyway...
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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
