Jim KAOS wrote: # Without effecting the backbone or implimenting some sort of regular # communications channel between operators (both against the intial charter) # then all the current proposals are simply bogus. Wow, you're all-around incompetent. # If the basic backbone is altered from its current status then the spammers # and those opposed to the Cypherpunk credo (and democratic thought as well) # will have won. It is a an overt admission that speech must be moderated # and that poeple in general, and technology in particular, has no solution. # # It means that we as Cypherpunks have failed. If you want to quit and let # these scum rule your life so be it. Those who give up freedom for # security deserve neither. Did you write the speeches in the movie 'Dune'? # Individuals need to quit thinking in a herd mentatility and take a stand # for their own beliefs and desires. Brian to crowd: "YOU ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS". Crowd to Brian: "WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS". # This means taking individual action, not asking some 3rd party to step # in and take care of it for you (how un-cypherpunks that is is obvious). # That some of the 'founders' of the cypherpunks movement are promulgating # such trash is truly revealing of their base character. # # Individual, people need to start filtering their email. It takes a lot(!) # less time and effort to set up indvidual filtering than all the bitching # and energy that gets expended on this socialist clap-trap. People don't # have the time and energy to filter the mail but they expect others to, and # to do it to their satisfaction to boot. What a bunch of lazy dipshits. Do # your own dirty work. This also goes for those (Tim, Declan, etc.) who # would rather change the entire system (and dictating others actions, # rather un-cypherpunk that) instead of acting on their own purported # beliefs and opening a simple remailer that filters according to whatever # regex you desire. How lazy and hypocritical. No, it's not. You're the lazy one who can't bother to read his own majordomo email. I had to send email to the list before you woke up and fixed things. When I'm done with my current Usenet project, I'll volunteer to soup up a majordomo setup to allow each subscriber: o no filtering whatsoever (default) o filtering of non-subscribers, except strong anonymizers o filtering of subscribers And support for email requests of majordomo yielding: o #of subscribers o #of people filtering you o last 30 messages received, unfiltered, one messageball Built-in support (and choice) at the list level is the way to go.