At 7:02 PM -0700 7/24/00, sunder wrote:
>
>IMHO, this is the wrong fucken tactic.  We shouldn't bother pressuring
>them to release source code.  Fuck the source code.  We should force
>them to remove said carnivores rather than demand inspection.  They
>have no business on any network.  They are the equivalent of being
>forced to quarter soldiers in ones place of business - never mind home.
>
>What's next?  Will the Feds demand to install cameras in every room to
>prevent kids from being raped by their parents? Spousal abuse? Drug
>abuse?
>
>It is insane that such things are even being considered as ok if
>examined.  Would you say "Ok, I'll let you place the camera in my
>bedroom so long as I see the schematics?"

I think this is exactly the right point. The Third Amendment, about 
quartering troops, is seldom-applied.

But if I own a computer and I rent out accounts to others and the FBI 
comes to me and says "We are putting a Carnivore computer in your 
place," how else can this be interpreted _except_ as a violation of 
the Third?

But there is no hope for legal and constitutional challenges. They 
use _our_ money to proliferate new travesties faster than groups like 
the ACLU and EFF and mount challenges, raise funds, and challenge 
these unconstitutional acts. And if, by some slim chance, a court 
strikes down one such law, they have a hundred slight variants on the 
law ready to go in a thousand other jurisdictions.

It's hopeless. Only technology, and terrorism, will work.


--Tim May
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