At 3:26 PM +0000 8/28/00, Phaedrus wrote: > >I don't claim that pre-reagan treatment of 'mental patients' was good. I'm >not defending pre *or* post reagan treatment of 'crazee's' -- Tim made the >comment that here in the good 'ol US (okay, serious paraphrasing) we >didn't lock people up and drug them against their will in the way that >Russia and the other bad-guy-communists did. I'm arguing that we do, You're doing a lot more than "serious paraphrasing" of my point: you're misrepresenting what I said. *I* was the one who brought up "Reagan emptying the mental hospitals." Using basic concepts of causality, where causes precede effects, Reagan's emptying of the mental hospitals implies that there were people incarcerated beforehand. (And I also said they were incarcerated without having been convicted of any crime in a court of law.) I clearly didn't say that "we didn't lock up people and drug them...," etc. I clearly said that we did. What I said was that the constitution requires due process, and that due process (court of law, jury of peers, right to confront accusers, etc.) is not followed in such cases. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
