This was all really boring the first time around. -- Lance Cottrell [email protected]
On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:23 AM, gwen hastings <[email protected]> wrote: > Fuck You Griffin(happy now?) > > yes and FUCK you too!!..Who GIVES a FLYING FUCK as to what YOU CARE ABOUT... > > those who dont remember the past are doomed to forever repeat it.. > GH > > idiot fuckwad kids > > > On 1/8/14 9:02 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: >> The amount of fucks I give about this can be conveniently stored >> within a thimble. If the drama is twenty years hence, maybe it's time >> to move beyond it? >> >> ~Griffin >> >> >> On 2014-01-08 11:49, gwen hastings wrote: >>> From ld231782 Wed Dec 29 21:33:12 1993 >>> Return-Path: ld231782 >>> Received: from dolores.lance.colostate.edu (dolores.lance.colostate.edu >>> [129.82.112.18]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id >>> VAA27831; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 21:32:40 -0700 >>> Message-Id: <[email protected]> >>> to: [email protected], [email protected], >>> [email protected] >>> subject: Paranoia Strikes Deep... >>> cc: ld231782 >>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 21:32:28 -0700 >>> From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782> >>> X-Mts: smtp >>> >>> Hello, I have been hearing some rumors about the cypherpunks >>> being `penetrated' by some spies and areas of the Internet >>> (mailing lists, newsgroups, private mail, journal articles, etc.) >>> being targeted with `tentacle' infiltrations. I thought this was >>> kind of fascinating to contemplate how they would behave. It >>> seems to me that loyalty is very hard to judge by mere email >>> messages alone, and that these hypothetical spies might take that >>> to their advantage. Here are some of the things that either >>> cypherpunk loyalists (cyberanarchists) or cy{b,ph}erwonk spies >>> might say to gain credibility and further `intelligence' from >>> insiders: >>> >>> - L.Detweiler is insane, has sent death threats, is behind >>> S.Boxx, is involved in cyberspatial guerrila warfare, is the >>> mastermind of a spy plot, etc. He is the only person in the world >>> who cares about pseudospoofing. (All the complete ad hominem >>> fantasy stuff). >>> >>> - `T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore are all outstanding and >>> upstanding net citizens, have never pseudospoofed or done >>> anything wrong, and are the target of an anonymous smear campaign >>> by terrorists.' >>> >>> - `I have been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I have met >>> all the people who have been accused of being tentacles, and they >>> are all real. In fact, I saw their drivers licenses.' `Someone >>> accused of being a tentacle actually lives with me.' >>> >>> - There are no conspiracies whatsoever going on inside the >>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or >>> other illegitimate activities. >>> >>> - Lies are liberating. `We have a right to lie to the media and >>> other people through tentacles.' One can make a game out of >>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with >>> elaborate deceptions. >>> >>> - Pseudospoofing is liberating. `You are only as good as the >>> number of identities you can project on the internet; this is a >>> feature, not a bug.' The Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is >>> an example of the liberating effect of pseudospoofing on freeing >>> people from their arbitrary prejudices about human identity and >>> accountability. >>> >>> - There's no big deal about black marketeering or tax evasion. >>> Everyone does it. It's a survival tactic in a brutal world of >>> corrupt governments and massive corporations out to oppress the >>> little guy. We are entering a New World Order where anarchy will >>> rule and all governments will crumble. >>> >>> - Blacknet is a harmless and visionary cyberspatial experiment >>> done by T.C.May. >>> >>> - `Please take these annoying discussions about secret >>> conspiracies elsewhere.' >>> >>> Of course, if any of these statements are by the spies, they are >>> just trying to build up your trust so that they can betray you >>> later when they have the proper opportunity. Or, sometimes, there >>> is the dictum that `intelligence is more valuable than >>> liquidation' and they may continue to deceive you just for the >>> valuable intelligence indefinately. >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> >>> Then there may be some `tentacles' out there that are being >>> driven by the counterrevolutionaries bent on destroying the >>> Cyberanarchist movement and interested in getting some of their >>> own propaganda out there. These would be indistinguishable from >>> cy{b,ph}erwonk loyalists. >>> >>> - L.Detweiler is brilliant, has made stellar net contributions, >>> has never sent death threats, no evidence exists that he is >>> behind S.Boxx, he has spoken out against cyberspatial guerrila >>> warfare, is the mastermind of a new mailing list but talk of a >>> spy plot is preposterous, etc. He is one of many in the world who >>> cares very seriously about pseudospoofing as all his writing in >>> e.g. RISKS and CUD attests. >>> >>> - `Very little is know about T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore >>> as far as their personalities, and in fact J.Gilmore has admitted >>> publicly to drug use, and all vehemently resist making >>> unequivocal public or private statements on pseudospoofing, >>> although they do seem to be the target of an anonymous smear >>> campaign by the anonymous person S.Boxx, but with some disturbing >>> elements of truth.' >>> >>> - `I have never been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I am >>> suspicious of the behavior of many of the `people' L.Detweiler >>> has accused of being tentacles, because of the lack of verifiable >>> information and a sort of `cardboard cutout' flavor to their >>> personalities. There seems to be some desperate damage control >>> going on.' >>> >>> - There seem to be some actual conspiracies going on inside the >>> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or >>> other illegitimate activities. >>> >>> - Lies are lies. `No one has a right to lie to the media or >>> other people through tentacles.' Anyone who makes a game out of >>> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with >>> elaborate deceptions is malicious, depraved, and perverted. >>> >>> - Pseudospoofing is perverted. Statements like `You are only as >>> good as the number of identities you can project on the internet; >>> this is a feature, not a bug.' are depraved and deluded. The >>> Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is an example of the very >>> dangerous effect of pseudospoofing on manipulating people in >>> their assumptions and presumptions about human identity and >>> accountability, and for mind control and brainwashing. >>> >>> - Black marketeering and tax evasion are evil. Though many >>> promote it, it is toxic to social harmony. Those that promote it >>> are all hypocrites who claim that they have found new societies >>> that are free of it, but have found only societies of poisonous >>> distrust and paranoia. The whole purpose of governments and >>> corporations is to serve people, and if they fail to do so they >>> need to be adjusted but not destroyed. >>> >>> - `Please don't censor these fascinating discussions about secret >>> conspiracies and cyberanarchists.' >>> >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> It's quite a pity that in Cyberspace, to borrow a phrase that is >>> rapidly becoming a cliche, no one knows if you are a spy. Perhaps >>> we can work together to build systems that minimize this kind of >>> rampant paranoia. It's really a shame that someone with a grudge >>> against any mailing list or its leaders could so disrupt its >>> smooth flowing operation with no repercussions. I have some ideas >>> for preventing this, and in fact I encourage anyone else who does >>> to join the Cy{ph,b}erwonks list and discuss these issues >>> associated with Electronic Democracy. >>> >>> ``The first casualty in war is the truth.'' There is a saying in >>> war, `shoot them all and let God sort them out.' Perhaps in these >>> turbulent times, this message represents a `list all the rumors >>> and let the People sort them out.' I hope the truth prevails in >>> Cyberspace as it does in the real world. Our own controversies, >>> such as those above, will serve as an interesting experiment. > > > -- > Tentacle #99 > > ecc public key curve p160 > ;9C~b~)3)cp0d!?C1JIVI=tI( > > Governments are instituted among men, > deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, > that whenever any form of government becomes destructive > of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or > abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its > foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers > in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect > their safety and happiness.’
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