> > So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council > can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed > material, etc. without court. >
Syria was under martial law... for several decades prior to their civil war. But than again... for a few years, Lincoln was a dictator, going so far to even free the slaves amid disapproval from his cabinet. On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 (Andrew White) > 2. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early" > traffic confirmation attack (Juan) > 3. A post-spy world (John Young) > 4. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early" > traffic confirmation attack (rysiek) > 5. SnakeoilMailbox? (rysiek) > 6. Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it > give power to close media, websites, and more (Anton Nesterov) > 7. Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world (Ryan Carboni) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:37:53 -0700 > From: Andrew White <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 > Message-ID: > <CA+gYD=_VsQqV4_tGwjQ0NdV4np_afTETU4= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:42:20 +1000 > > From: "James A. Donald" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Ripple's consensus algorithm. > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > Bitcoin's consensus algorithm is weight of computing power, which is OK > > as long as weight of computing power aligns with interest in bitcoin > > being a useful currency. > > > > Weight of stake would be better, but so far I am unaware of any > > satisfactory proposals for weight of stake. > > > > > This is called "proof of stake" not weight of stake and is different from > Ripple's consensus process. > > > > > Ripples consensus algorithm is weight of club members, and the process > > for getting into the club is opaque, as are the interests and incentives > > of the existing club members. > > > > This doesn't really describe how Ripple works. Ripple relies on the > agreement of 80% or more of validator nodes per gateway to verify if a > transaction took place or not. I write more about this in > http://rippleinvestmentguide.com/ > > > > > > I would suppose one gets into the club if no existing member blackballs > > you, which would be fine if there is already sufficient diversity of > > interests within the club. > > > > Only if 80% of the networks validator nodes do that which is in practice > not likely to happen on a large enough scale. > > > > > > It is not obvious to me how well the ripple consensus algorithm would > > work in the event of substantial conflicts between club members, or bad > > behavior by club members, or bad things happening to the network. > > > > Has it been analyzed for performance in the event of bad behavior by > > some club members? > > > > I'll ping David Schwartz one of the co-inventors about this question. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20140811/d808a7c0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:24:08 -0300 > From: Juan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early" > traffic confirmation attack > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200 > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze: > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200 > > > > > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing > > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences, > > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have > > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions. > > > > > > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least. > > > > > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations. > > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a > > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically > > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at > > > least. > > > > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look > > from the inside. > > ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal > system', having been raised by lawyers =P > > > > > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies > > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of > > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities > > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation. > > Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are > different factions inside a government. I did explicitly > mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though. > > > > > > > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor. > > > > Sorry, but that's circular. > > You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial > american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there > are some 'good guys' in the US government. > > Too bad your assumption is what you actually need to prove. > > The argument here is that tor is a small network that can be > more or less easily 'traffic analyzed' by the US government - > the same government that created it. This is not 'rocket > science'... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:52:19 -0400 > From: John Young <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected] > Subject: A post-spy world > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > "We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that > runs the CIA's venture capital arm." > > <http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k> > http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20140811/b84e1581/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:09:52 +0200 > From: rysiek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early" > traffic confirmation attack > Message-ID: <3216983.cEZSaLLodi@lapuntu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dnia poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 17:24:08 Juan pisze: > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200 > > > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze: > > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200 > > > > > > > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing > > > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences, > > > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have > > > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions. > > > > > > > > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least. > > > > > > > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations. > > > > > > > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a > > > > > > > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically > > > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at > > > > least. > > > > > > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look > > > from the inside. > > > > ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal > > system', having been raised by lawyers =P > > > > > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies > > > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of > > > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities > > > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation. > > > > Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are > > different factions inside a government. I did explicitly > > mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though. > > > > > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor. > > > > Sorry, but that's circular. > > > > You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial > > american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there > > are some 'good guys' in the US government. > > No, I didn't say there are any "good guys" (nor that there aren't any, mind > you). But even between a clusterfuck of "bad guys", each dragging in their > own > direction, simply *because* they are dragging all in different directions, > there might be space for some neat projects. > > Think of it as a hack on the system. > > Guy A needs total secrecy of communication for their moles in third world > countries and finances a tool that incidentally is a huge PITA for guy B, > that > tries to surveil everything and everybody. > > Guy A and guy B are far enough from each other > (system/hierarchy/department/competence-wise) that they do not co-operate, > nor > even know of each other too well. Or: they know of each other and are in a > state of "cold war" for resources or ambition-related aims. > > -- > Pozdr > rysiek > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 316 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20140811/e478d2d1/attachment-0001.sig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:01:54 +0200 > From: rysiek <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: SnakeoilMailbox? > Message-ID: <1604479.NSJMfQmOgd@lapuntu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi there, > > so, this got sent my way: > http://securemailbox.com/ > > It rings several of stef-defined bells for snakeoil, but maybe I don't see > something? Anybody any info on this? > > -- > Pozdr > rysiek > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 316 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20140812/1c341c0e/attachment-0001.sig > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:01:43 +0000 > From: Anton Nesterov <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it > give power to close media, websites, and more > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > It includes many types of sanctions, but most interesting is that ones: > > 9) the prohibition or restriction of the retransmission of television > and radio channels; > 10) the prohibition to use radio frequency resource of Ukraine; > 11) the restriction or termination of the media or other information > activities, including those in the Internet; > 12) the restriction or prohibition of production or distribution of > printed materials and other information materials; > 24) the prohibition of political parties, movements and other civil > society associations and foundations; > > So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council > can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed > material, etc. without court. > > http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/33612 news report (in Ukrainian) > http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=51915 text (in > Ukrainian) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:14:39 -0700 > From: Ryan Carboni <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world > Message-ID: > <CAO7N= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John Young, true masterspy. > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, John Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that runs > > the CIA’s venture capital arm." > > > > > > > http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver > > <http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > cryptography mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20140812/66372742/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > cypherpunks mailing list > [email protected] > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > > > ------------------------------ > > End of cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 12 > ******************************************* >
