This is cool!  I love the combined distribution of providing a hosted
version, and encouraging people to host it themselves.

I looked into the code to understand more about how it works.  Is it
fair to say that you use WebRTC with SRTP for the transport
encryption, and then a homebaked AES-GCM-based protocol with RSA
public keys to do the encrypted chat/actions/invites, and also to
distribute/authenticate the WebRTC fingerprints?

-tom

On 19 August 2014 05:33, Subrosa Team <[email protected]> wrote:
> Subrosa is an open source, end to end encrypted messaging / VOIP app focused 
> on being easy to use for the general public. We made Subrosa in response to 
> the mass surveillance revelations programs, and to address the difficulty of 
> current tools for the average user. Oh, and it supports group video chats.
>
> Site, and hosted version to try it out: https://subrosa.io
>
> Why make something new?
>
> We've tried getting our non-techie contacts to use GPG/OTR/etc. Our personal 
> experiences are that spending hours per person we want to talk to, teaching 
> them how to use the tool, and helping them when they inevitably come across 
> an issue (e.g. lose their keys) are just not practical. We think there's a 
> place for an end to end encrypted messaging platform usable by *everyone*.
>
> Furthermore, not everyone cares about crypto. Subrosa is just as easy to use 
> as making a Skype account, while key generation, etc are all performed behind 
> the scenes. For end to end encryption to be widely adopted, it needs to 
> convince people who don't care about it as well. And that means it can't be 
> any harder, or more confusing than popular offerings.
>
> Subrosa does cryptography transparently, however we don't *hide* information 
> such as fingerprints (so you can verify you're not being MITM attacked, by 
> us). RSA keypairs are stored on our servers, with the private key being 
> passed through PBKDF2 with the user password (not sent). Messages are 
> encrypted using exchanged AES keys, with VOIP/video chats encrypted with SRTP.
>
> We know web crypto, when executing code from a remote server, has grave 
> security implications. For ease of use, we do have a hosted version. 
> Subrosa's client is fully open source however, and you can (and should!) run 
> a local copy of the client. We use the ForgeJS library. 
> http://github.com/subrosa-io/subrosa-client
>
> We're also fully committed to end to end encryption. We don't have any 
> "gotchas" like iMessage being end to end for delivery, but storing the 
> plaintext of messages in iCloud. We shouldn't have the ability to read any 
> messages, in all circumstances (assuming local client).
>
> Please let us know what you think about Subrosa, and pick at this :)
>

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