Dnia niedziela, 2 listopada 2014 19:10:46 piszesz: > > okay, fuck that, I'm going to dive in, because the level of FUD is > > strong in this one. > > Well, thanks :)
Always a pleasure. > > The question is not "which protocol is better", because while we > > bikeshed on > > this question, people are still sitting on Failbroke and Shitter, > > instead of > > moving out of these walled gardens. > > > > The question is: "how can we *cooperate* to get people on the libre, > > federated > > side of social networks". 1.5 year ago I submitted to all the > > fedsocnet devs a > > simple question, here's the link again: > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html > > > > The answer was: "impossiburu, we won't, not invented here, my > > protocol is > > better than yours". So instead of trying to herd those cats, I am > > grabbing the > > opportunity arising from the fact that we already have The > > Federation. Let's > > expand it and build upon it, eh? > > What is your plan with The Federation ? To build a project to help all > theses project to talk each others and find a way to "standardize" the > communications between them to be compatible with eachothers ? No. To have a single name for these few federated social networks that already federate with each other. So that instead of saying "do you have a Diaspora/Friendica/Red/GNU Social account?" one can say "do you have a The Federation account?" Because this will: - make it easier for the normal users to join ("just choose any of these, they're compatible") - make it more interesting for developers of other free federated social networks to get compatible with The Federation ("it's not a single project, a few of them got together already, why not join the happy bunch") And in the end it's all about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect Each of these projects in itself is too small to get users' attention; together they have much more chance of that. > Then you will define some basic schema of authentication/packet format > (JSON/HTML/XML…)/global architecture… > In the end it will looks like this : https://xkcd.com/927/ Nobody needs nor wants to define nor create any new protocols. The protocols are already there: that's what Diaspora, Friendica, Red and GNU Social use to talk to each other. The ONLY aim of calling it with a collective name is to make it seen as a single, huge, federated-and-federating distributed social network. And to get the ball rolling on more social networks joining-in and federating. > If your aim is to ask theses project to have a public API to share > stuffs between their different servers, well good luck. They already do. They implement each others' protocols. Nobody has to do anything there. I have a Diaspora account and have added friends from Friendica and Red servers. But thanks anyway. > > Shouting "XMPP! XMPP!" is not helping. > > No, but I prefer to contribute and improve a 15 years old protocol, > with millions of users and hundred of implementations, managed by a > strong Fundation that works with the IETF than on a 4 yo protocol > implented by ~2 project where all the documentation you can find on it > is here > https://wiki.diasporafoundation.org/Federation_protocol_overview. "I guess I'll leave that one until you answer Meredith" would be one answer. "I prefer to contribute and improve a ~40 years old protocol with billions of users and thousands of implementations (...)" and direct you to e-mail (which allows you to share photos and info with your friends, after all), would be another, admittedly snarky. "So how is JID/Jingle client and server implementation work going", would be yet another. "You're very welcome to join The Federation, if you'd like; the easiest way to do this would be to either help The Federation projects implement your protocol, or implement one of their protocols in your software; in return you'll get a huge bunch of active users to federate with, and the user- perceived value of your network would rise" is the one I'm going with, however. Also, Diaspora is implementing an XMPP-based chat functionality these days (should be released soon). So, there's also that. -- Pozdr rysiek
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