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On January 6, 2015 2:43:18 AM CST, Cathal Garvey <[email protected]> wrote: > > RMS does not want to allow his enemies to use the tools he > > creates. > >Well, no; he wants them to use it as much as they like, as long as they > >give back to the commons on which they built their foundations. There's > >nothing at all wrong with asking that. > >RMS would likely be insulted at the idea that he would forbid essential > >freedoms to *anyone*, including the companies he hates. > >There's an undercurrent in some patches of this discussion, if I may, >that suggests that openness is orthogonal to commercial success; the >idea being that GPL is "anti-business" and weaker licenses are >"pro-business". I'll just throw in "citation needed" with the reminder >that correlation does not imply causation. > >Users (more like "Used") buy Windows all the time even though everyone >knows it can be had for free. Music lovers continue to pay for music >even though it's common knowledge that it can be had with less malware >on torrent sites, or simply cribbed from friends. Same for books, same >for everything. > >Artificial scarcity creates artificial demand, but a natural abundance >does not diminish natural demand. And if you want to sell open code, it > >had better be GPL, or your competitors will steal all your best ideas >and leave you with an inferior product. With GPL, you *invite* your >competitors to improve with you, while you both crib one another's work > >and get better and more usefully distinct over time. > >On 06/01/15 01:28, Jesse B. Crawford wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 2015-01-05 12:29, odinn wrote: >>> This led me to ask if maybe there was just a way to release it >>> into domain (public domain) without the whole licensing system and >>> multitude of restrictions and competing licensing restrictions >>> (including Unlicense) coming into play, depending on the project / >>> projects being considered. (Again I think we are twirling in >>> circles here) >> >> This isn't unheard of, the main example would be SQLite which is >> completely public domain to great success. Although it depends on >> jurisdiction, they explain this licensing arrangement as "Anyone is >> free to copy, modify, publish, use, compile, sell, or distribute the >> original SQLite code, either in source code form or as a compiled >> binary, for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and by any >> means," which sounds about as free as it can get to me. >> >> I had a discussion with RMS about this not that long ago. In fact, >the >> discussion began with the BSD project, which he seems to view >> primarily as an attempt to undermine the work of the FSF (an opinion >> that he expresses in some of his public talks as well). Anyway, I >> think it is apparent from talking to RMS that he feels that it is a >> goal of GPL to prevent "user-subjugating" software vendors ever >> obtaining any commercial advantage from GPL-licensed code. The theory >> of it is a bit like not selling ammunition to KKK members or >> something, RMS does not want to allow his enemies to use the tools he >> creates. >> >> Of course I don't agree with him in this regard, but that's because I >> don't feel that closed-source software is intrinsically evil. From >> RMS's perspective, that closed-source software is fundamentally a >> violation of the rights of the user, it makes a great deal of sense. >> >> I think that even FSF advocates increasingly don't align fully with >> RMS on this issue, but his ideas have certainly influenced the GPL. >> >> jc >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2 >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUqzotAAoJEBPrCUVAhb3Bn+kH+gLE/UOT4KPtf41ZKDr8L4UC >> wl6F2GD6Pph7IFFzctpG4L5X84onFX45785Q3l56fmheIrt/FrBQJRmIkaLj3l0P >> K7nRtHo0pAxrixTPc9CZ/6wnrVg0jHhayqnnXMKJjL6JqX/AUj9eE3qmG9X5EhmW >> bHpmsl6tmqAMWGWUktEfRdjBpaAMnTCiOIzrSn3SXpILaPU1plK3XHP/pxlHdhnc >> ULVZ2GbCNPwCU7LgZOHeCZyaC6yFez2VwsxtFO04vLPh9KCoe7cPO+6G/sO5dLrq >> Mu06kiSUla08eLLTa6soR3meMGGfbQAQq/IkRCKdzLnWz4bH4n6r+t7AsX26ItQ= >> =ytXp >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
