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On 8 January 2015 18:04:32 GMT+00:00, John Elicker <[email protected]> wrote: >Please unsubscribe > >On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM, <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Rant on BSD vs GPL was [Good ol' BSD vs. GPL] (grarpamp) >> 2. Re: Rant on BSD vs GPL was [Good ol' BSD vs. GPL] (Cathal >(Phone)) >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 04:26:15 -0500 >> From: grarpamp <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Rant on BSD vs GPL was [Good ol' BSD vs. GPL] >> Message-ID: >> <CAD2Ti2_= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ted Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 11:33 +0000, Cathal Garvey wrote: >> >> The GPL acknowledges this by forbidding suits within the scope of >the >> >> work (I think: GPL experts on-list?), preventing E3 from >occurring. >> >> Other licenses often take steps in this direction, but the >> >> ultra-short >> >> "friendly and permissive" licenses usually don't >> >> Probably because their model and vision is different, they're >> not really out to modify the world beyond saying "here you >> go, it's free", only out to modify the code, so they've little >> interest in legal longtexts or lawyers. >> >> >> terse and legally unenforceable way that they might as well not >be. >> > >> > The GPLv3+ contains this sort of patent protection >> >> Section 10, last paragraph, last part. Don't know if that has been >tested >> in court as other parts have been in the news. And all of paragraph >11, >> which grants patents. >> >> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html >> >> >> Freedom is not merely defined in law but in experience, and simply >> >> removing explicit limitations on freedom (copyleft licenses) does >not >> >> mean that the total freedom in the world has increased. >> > >> > BSD advocates, I think, are not interested in total freedom in the >> > world. This is a CONSEQUENCE or OUTCOME of a choice, not the choice >> > itself. >> >> > boils down to consequentialist morals on the GPL side, and >deontological >> > or rule-based morals on the BSD side. >> >> Yes, depends on definition of freedom. Unfortunately GPL and BSD >people >> seem define that differently. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:40:37 +0000 >> From: "Cathal (Phone)" <[email protected]> >> To: grarpamp <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Rant on BSD vs GPL was [Good ol' BSD vs. GPL] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I don't think it's unfortunate, I think it's complementary. GPL is >> valuable for trailblazing and stamping.out new territory because it >> prevents E3, BSD is valuable because it helps shitty tech companies >migrate >> to standards that aren't total snakeoil. Between the two, the world >> improves. Obviously I think GPL is better and more important, but >that >> doesn't mean I disparage or undervalue other open work. >> >> On 8 January 2015 09:26:15 GMT+00:00, grarpamp <[email protected]> >wrote: >> >On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ted Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 11:33 +0000, Cathal Garvey wrote: >> >>> The GPL acknowledges this by forbidding suits within the scope of >> >the >> >>> work (I think: GPL experts on-list?), preventing E3 from >occurring. >> >>> Other licenses often take steps in this direction, but the >> >>> ultra-short >> >>> "friendly and permissive" licenses usually don't >> > >> >Probably because their model and vision is different, they're >> >not really out to modify the world beyond saying "here you >> >go, it's free", only out to modify the code, so they've little >> >interest in legal longtexts or lawyers. >> > >> >>> terse and legally unenforceable way that they might as well not >be. >> >> >> >> The GPLv3+ contains this sort of patent protection >> > >> >Section 10, last paragraph, last part. Don't know if that has been >> >tested >> >in court as other parts have been in the news. And all of paragraph >11, >> >which grants patents. >> > >> >https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html >> > >> >>> Freedom is not merely defined in law but in experience, and >simply >> >>> removing explicit limitations on freedom (copyleft licenses) does >> >not >> >>> mean that the total freedom in the world has increased. >> >> >> >> BSD advocates, I think, are not interested in total freedom in the >> >> world. This is a CONSEQUENCE or OUTCOME of a choice, not the >choice >> >> itself. >> > >> >> boils down to consequentialist morals on the GPL side, and >> >deontological >> >> or rule-based morals on the BSD side. >> > >> >Yes, depends on definition of freedom. Unfortunately GPL and BSD >people >> >seem define that differently. >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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