> Am 06.04.2015 um 15:22 schrieb [email protected]: > > Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Cari Machet) > 2. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (c4p0) > 3. GPAs vs todays anonymous overlay networks (grarpamp) > 4. Re: Fwd: The West's Shame (jim bell) > 5. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Bethany) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:59:30 +0200 > From: Cari Machet <[email protected]> > To: Alexis Wattel <[email protected]> > Cc: cpunks <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept > Message-ID: > <CAGRDzQWhCiLWPJ7D=mefskz8_cjkttv2whkookdhx1feh7p...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award > > there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a dead > body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the person was > hit by a drone strike > > no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never happens > > perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand > > it isnt 'slander' if it is true so maybe you dont know anything about law > either > > just because you have not run across other people criticising the great > perfect white guy jeremy scahill doesnt mean it isnt happening - you seem > to assume a lot and not ask questions just flame out assuming you know > everything i think that is known as narcissism which people go to > psychiatrists to get help working out of as its such a lethal condition but > it isnt easy because narcissists think they are right all the time > > besides even if i was the only one criticising jeremy that doesnt prove me > wrong - prove me wrong > go ahead try... > > also i knew the 'report' was false that you assume i thought it was true > again proves my premise that you are narcissistic > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Alexis Wattel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Speaking about facts checking: intrigued by these allegations I looked up > > wiki on Omydiar, and his network association is said to have partnered with > > the CIA, which is not generally all about "philanthropy", although this > > claim lack any reference. > > > > Would someone know why is the Agency mentioned there? > > > > Aside from that, financed projects include "mobile intelligence" for > > prospectors and deploying banks onto mobile phones to make sure everyone > > even in Africa pays his fees to the landlords. They even dare to say it's > > cheaper than cash. I wonder how that is. > > > > > > Anyway... Wild allegations are very entertaining, but seriously what's the > > real meaning of this about Tor? > > Because no technical evidence suggest it is "backdoored" (whatever that > > would mean, this is a trendy word, makes the one who says it sound so l33t > > in journalism circles). > > > > On the other hand, Tor devs are more and more often prone on reminding > > that traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat model. The > > problem is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability of > > adversaries. > > > > I really can't help thinking this is a deliberate desire of keeping Tor at > > government's reach because the eternal argument they oppose do not stand. > > They say that randomized wait times at each relay would make the traffic > > too slow. But I remember using Tor 8 years ago when it took forever to load > > a Web page, and still did I use it in spite of this major extra effort, > > because anonymous surfing was such a blast. > > Today the network is fast enough to be able to swap 25% speed for a > > massive increase of anonymity. > > The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy padding > > discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness. > > > > I honestly can't see why they legitimately refuse to implement this. > > They seem to think that the need to observe both ends is too hard. Did > > they hear about the BGP routing attack that targeted Iceland? Funny how the > > Silk Road server was found a month later in... Oh shit, Iceland. > > > > When you claim to protect activists with government money, you'd better > > not show dubious intentions if people trust are what you depend on. Because > > that's why Tor was opened at first. The government officials needed to hide > > among civilian traffic. They do need the people to run nodes. > > > > Le 6 avril 2015 15:04:21 CEST, xezha <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I think I may have to leave this list. > >> > >> Can you really not tell the difference between a real article and > >> something made up/joke/propaganda? > >> Please be a little more critical and back up for claims before slandering > >> someones name. Even 5 minutes of research with google will demonstrate that > >> you are the only source of ANY claims about Jeremy Scahills unethical > >> journalism. You seem to have a screw loose. > >> > >> Xe > >> > >> > >> On 06/04/15 02:35, Cari Machet wrote: > >> > thank you!! > >> > > >> > i just want to say that @jeremyscahill took a selfie with a (murdered) > >> dead body which no & i mean no journalist does - no one ... he is a very > >> sick capitalist fascist > >> > > >> > he has done more than this but i wont go on & on > >> > > >> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Juan <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700 > >> > Seth <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > It's about damn time ;) > >> > > > >> > > > >> http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cari Machet > >> > NYC 646-436-7795 > >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <[email protected]> > >> > AIM carismachet > >> > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > >> > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > >> > Berlin +49 152 11779219 > >> > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 > >> > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > >> <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > >> > > >> > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > >> > > >> > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > >> > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not > >> the > >> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this > >> > information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email > >> without > >> > permission is strictly prohibited. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVIoRQAAoJEBxZWCa0ilYttJAP/2XY5i+2lpUYspwBR/Rw/2et > >> cQkzvtScdeyfjBXubS9LZAuKol9OcKaFj4vww1E2unnoImuHrLfAKsZZs/Ty3yib > >> 2YC1XWgsFtUAEOg7pHFLxxY+N/8XQplAB8vvm1V8+GMllwESmGspPPZxXc7yL4Vw > >> Ks4VIaF+gZlgFAr4jqjN2W8/67PVYYjVWLxibxmPIyl1SfMjnUh2v7qL779dpyC/ > >> c3eEb8oT2pGuK8rJzyVLUCtnghSeRHsSR08EFhaCLJGSuUmir6hEXhWBV4VOKudH > >> 1tMy/RR7ldOBv5ICMdpZ5wNItSzLjg5+Iib2jODdwirvSfI/8Mo6LGFPsufZn0Nr > >> Oq7Nwjafb4w87OqW4R4vFepOqlQA1/G6XNxKVCSoU/cP10A8YHf2KQ5IEvkYa7UC > >> wyKTmFWFaSa6vdqtv9XDJfXVozOjg/JVOI62mrVphXyBKWa9UEvobTSvyZ/EfcFk > >> /QGoOE3knIFQaYyRhtbXIeHw+BGp2+fGxKUW0nIgmPsJvJw3Zt9/WI5iXCYoD5M4 > >> Ivo5nNcYPchSL9gI6Rv0TIcNxPhahjnklav19enEYI2zZfqmwxHlYUiJjsoZU0J/ > >> XseAUt/Z6cVzksWi5/9RLTBLx7pNeDX4TJOeq0JwB6sGL99EH7p1/812ksr3fAF2 > >> 2Xd2B4E6TkgyoDHlZ2cW > >> =Gsmo > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> > > > -- > Cari Machet > NYC 646-436-7795 > [email protected] > AIM carismachet > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > Berlin +49 152 11779219 > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this > information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without > permission is strictly prohibited. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150406/0729e1bc/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 19:22:15 +0200 > From: c4p0 <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Is difficult trust, don't say more. > > On 04/05/2015 07:29 AM, Seth wrote: > > It's about damn time ;) > > > > http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 13:43:38 -0400 > From: grarpamp <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: GPAs vs todays anonymous overlay networks > Message-ID: > <cad2ti2-ww4qdj3s1g6a5hrclyz+33xovxtsdud-xq9_hyso...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Alexis Wattel <[email protected]> . > > https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-April/007186.html > > > traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat model. The problem > > is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability of adversaries. > > > They say that randomized wait times at each relay would make the traffic too > > slow. > > The delay parameters must be specified before using words like "too > slow[ed]" to describe the relative impacts to the full path. Further, > relevance to chosen application must be considered. Some users > do realtime HS2HS text/voice/video over it. > > > The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy padding > > discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness. > > Using a fixed length cell network and keeping links otherwise full of > chaff of said length is interesting defense to GPA correlation attack. > Random length cells, even if some cars are removed, still form a > uniquely identifiable train (particularly at entry/exit). Thus not useful. > > > deliberate desire of keeping Tor at government's reach > > [queue usual comments on funding, centralized dirauths, TCP > only, etc] > > It's opensource, fork it. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 17:40:44 +0000 (UTC) > From: jim bell <[email protected]> > To: Александр <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Fwd: The West's Shame > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I wonder if the person (Brad Cabana) who wrote the essay below is aware of > the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact", a non-agression pact between Germany and the > Soviet Union? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact > My understanding is that this agreement allowed (and was intended to allow) > Germany to attack the Western European countries without fear of Russian > attack, and it did so. The only thing which ended that agreement was the > attack by Germany on Russia in 1941. The essay claims, "Hitler would have > crushed Britain in short order if he had not diverted millions of German men > to the invasion of the Soviet Union." But apparently the only reason Germany > attacked Russia was because of its inability to invade England, and there is > absolutely no reason to believe that Russia would have attacked Germany > absent Germany's prior attack on Russia. So what was Brad Cabana > smoking?Should we be sympathetic to the Soviets in this matter? There's an > old joke about a kid who kills his parents, and throws himself on the mercy > of the judge, claiming "But I'm an orphan!!!". > The essay, below, selectively describes WHAT happened, but omits the WHY it > happened. Yes, there was a Soviet "sacrifice", but it was made necessary by > the actions of the Soviets themselves. Jim Bell > > On Sunday, April 5, 2015 9:57 PM, Александр <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Brad Cabana > > The West's Shame > > There is something so bizarre, so inhumane about Western countries boycotting > the parade for the 70th anniversary of the Soviet victory over Germany in > World War II that I just had to write on it. Recently, the prime minister of > the United Kingdom announced he will not be attending the parade. Previous to > that, countries like Germany and the United States had announced the same. > It's only a parade you say? No it's more than that. > > The Soviet Union sacrificed 25 million people to defeat Nazi Germany in World > War II. A sacrifice beyond imagination, and far, far greater than all the > countries fighting Nazi Germany combined. In comparison, the Holocaust, which > is rightly remembered annually, claimed the lives of six million people of > the Jewish faith. These are really the two true tragedy's of World War II > unleashed on the world by Nazi Germany. The stories of Soviet soldiers > advancing without weapons to pickup the rifle of the next dead soldier are > well known. The bloodbath of Stalingrad, the siege of Leningrad, the millions > of Soviet soldiers killed and captured (only to then die in POW camps) during > the early days of the German invasion, and so on, all markers of the > brutality of man against his own, stand large in the history of the world. In > fact, the German invasion of the Soviet Union stands as the largest military > battle in the history of man. > > Yet, western leaders have decided to not attend the parade that is meant to > honour that sacrifice. When Britain announced it would not attend, well, > that's the straw that broke the camel's back frankly. Of all the countries in > the world, Britain was saved by the massive waves of young Soviet men and > woman that bled the German army white. Hitler would have crushed Britain in > short order if he had not diverted millions of German men to the invasion of > the Soviet Union. Crucially, the diversion of aircraft, fighters and bombers, > to the Soviet front saved Britain from the entire annihilation of a full > blown, continuous air campaign, and the subsequent naval invasion that would > certainly have occurred. In reality, the western allies left Stalin almost > alone in Europe to battle the Nazi's, and take the majority of the casualties > in doing so. By the time D-Day finally arrived, the German army and air force > was only a shadow of it's former self as it existed in 1941. As bad and hard > as it was for the allies to march east through Europe to Berlin, without the > Soviet people's sacrifice, it would have never happened. > > It's a place of honour in human history. To quarrel with that is to go beyond > ignorance. To quarrel with that is the hateful and arrogant bastion of the > very seeds that caused World War II in the first place. And now, as if > history is repeating itself, Western leaders have entered that bastion of > ignorance and arrogance to punish Russia for the Ukrainian civil war. By > contrast, Russian president Putin, despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, > attended the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings in France last year. He > was given the proverbial cold shoulder by western leaders, yet he subjected > himself to that, in honour of the sacrifice of the men of Canada, Britain and > the United States. He did not ignore the history or the price in blood of > that action. He honoured it. He put the sacrifice ahead of his political > position, and it could even be said his personal shunning. Now that the time > is here to do the same for the Soviet Union's dead, we cannot bring ourselves > to do the same. > > What that says about us is really quite obvious. It means we haven't learned > the lessons of history. That our political leadership has become so petty, so > detached from historical reality, that it attempts to rewrite the history of > 25 million souls. That is the danger of all of this. Russians don't really > need the West to honour their sacrifice. They know it all too well. It's the > West that needs to honour that sacrifice so it can clearly see the dangers of > war on a scale far more destructive than anything it experienced on the > western front, or anywhere else in history. Poland started this train rolling > by refusing to invite the Russian president to the Holocaust remembrance at > Auschwitz last year. This despite the fact that the Soviet army liberated all > of Poland, and specifically Auschwitz from German armies. > > The actions of our western politicians say more about us than the Russians > could ever say themselves. They have portrayed us as people who refuse to > honour the dead, those that gave their lives in another time to defeat a > tyrant bent on world domination, and in doing so dishonour those men and > women. As the son of a young man, training in England, fighting in North > Africa, Italy, Holland, and Germany through those tumultuous years of war and > senseless slaughter, I recognize the Soviet sacrifice that probably saved my > Dad's life. How could you not? Yet, that is exactly what our politicians are > doing today. You don't have to be a lover of this country, or that country to > recognize and honour grave human injustice committed on a massive scale. You > just have to be humane, and subordinate your own bias in the remembrance of > the fallen. Is that really so hard? Isn't that what is expected of us all? > Wouldn't we expect that from our children? I've never been so ashamed of the > actions of our governments than I am now with the boycott of that parade in > Moscow. > > http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.ru/2015/03/the-wests-shame.html > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150406/7b28d3fe/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 14:22:04 -0400 > From: Bethany <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > Signierter PGP Teil > > > On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote: > > its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award > > > > there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a > dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the > person was hit by a drone strike > > > > no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never > happens > > > > perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand > > > > Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when he's > investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the examination > of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So gauche!" > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Alexis Wattel <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > Speaking about facts checking: intrigued by these allegations I > looked up wiki on Omydiar, and his network association is said to have > partnered with the CIA, which is not generally all about "philanthropy", > although this claim lack any reference. > > > > Would someone know why is the Agency mentioned there? > > > > Aside from that, financed projects include "mobile intelligence" > for prospectors and deploying banks onto mobile phones to make sure > everyone even in Africa pays his fees to the landlords. They even dare > to say it's cheaper than cash. I wonder how that is. > > > > > > Anyway... Wild allegations are very entertaining, but seriously > what's the real meaning of this about Tor? > > Because no technical evidence suggest it is "backdoored" (whatever > that would mean, this is a trendy word, makes the one who says it sound > so l33t in journalism circles). > > > > On the other hand, Tor devs are more and more often prone on > reminding that traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat > model. The problem is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability > of adversaries. > > > > I really can't help thinking this is a deliberate desire of > keeping Tor at government's reach because the eternal argument they > oppose do not stand. They say that randomized wait times at each relay > would make the traffic too slow. But I remember using Tor 8 years ago > when it took forever to load a Web page, and still did I use it in spite > of this major extra effort, because anonymous surfing was such a blast. > > Today the network is fast enough to be able to swap 25% speed for > a massive increase of anonymity. > > The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy > padding discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness. > > > > I honestly can't see why they legitimately refuse to implement this. > > They seem to think that the need to observe both ends is too hard. > Did they hear about the BGP routing attack that targeted Iceland? Funny > how the Silk Road server was found a month later in... Oh shit, Iceland. > > > > When you claim to protect activists with government money, you'd > better not show dubious intentions if people trust are what you depend > on. Because that's why Tor was opened at first. The government officials > needed to hide among civilian traffic. They do need the people to run nodes. > > > > Le 6 avril 2015 15:04:21 CEST, xezha <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > > > > > > I think I may have to leave this list. > > > > Can you really not tell the difference between a real article and > something made up/joke/propaganda? > > Please be a little more critical and back up for claims before > slandering someones name. Even 5 minutes of research with google will > demonstrate that you are the only source of ANY claims about Jeremy > Scahills unethical journalism. You seem to have a screw loose. > > > > Xe > > > > > > On 06/04/15 02:35, Cari Machet wrote: > > > thank you!! > > > > > i just want to say that @jeremyscahill took a selfie with a > (murdered) dead body which no & i mean no journalist does - no one ... > he is a very sick capitalist fascist > > > > > he has done more than this but i wont go on & on > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Juan <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700 > > > Seth <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > It's about damn time ;) > > > > > > > > > http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cari Machet > > > NYC 646-436-7795 <tel:646-436-7795> > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > > > AIM carismachet > > > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > > > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > > > Berlin +49 152 11779219 <tel:%2B49%20152%2011779219> > > > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 <tel:%2B354%20894%208650> > > > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > > > > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > > > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > > > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. 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