FWIW then, though this is a miresome digression, I mean by "Parent" the "person 
whose responsibility it is the welfare and upbringing of the child". Guardian, 
foster, whatever.

On 31 May 2015 11:12:00 GMT+01:00, "Lodewijk andré de la porte" 
<[email protected]> wrote:
>2015-05-31 2:33 GMT-07:00 Cathal (Phone)
><[email protected]>:
>
>> I'm not one to call parents who surveil children "Orwellian": a
>parent's
>> job is to prepare a child for the world and protect them from the
>world.
>
>
>We are all children of the state
>
>
>
>(child is badly defined, the role of parents is culturally defined and
>not
>something logically following from the production of babies, although
>the
>caretaking at least is pretty preprogrammed)

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