On 6/17/2015 7:19 PM, Juan wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:28:27 -0400
Tim Beelen <[email protected]> wrote:


You should stop smoking lettuce. Just because you think something is
not a crime does not not make it not a crime.

        I don't smoke lettuce. My example was meant to teach you the
        basics of morality - something you seem unable to grasp.
I know you don't smoke lettuce.
        So, pay attention : human/natural rights exist PRIOR TO ANY
        FUCKING GOVERNMENT.
I concede to that point.

        Enve a retarded 'american' should know this if he bothered to
        check basic americunt propaganda like the 'declaration of
        independence'
Dude, that is racist. I think. Calling all Americans cunts. Such a big geographical area too. North, South.



And I don't think
'murdering people for fun' is the USMC charter.
        That's what the shitbags do, however. So what you think
        about some nonsensical 'charter' has less than zero relevance.

So, I happen to know a few people that are marines. They don't like killing and are generally very agreeable. Would you like to meet one?

It might be your
observation but also generally not true for actual marines. And
actually not true in any sense. So. There's that.

        There's what? There's a neocon in this mailing list?
Basically anyone you actually get to meet and say hello to. What do you think they are? Big bad bulky continuously angry men?

And the way you're talking you're probably are an anarchist. Which is
also a form of government directed usually by direct democracy.
        Well, at least you figured out that I'm an anarchist, although
        funnily enough you don't seem to know what anarchy is.

        
government directed usually by direct democracy.
        Nope, that's not anarchy.
Okay, lets try Bakunin, because for a guy who does not no anything about Anarchism I sure know about him. He claims to "organize from below, through local structures interlinked on a federalist basis". I agree with Bakunin on this point. It also happens to be a form of direct democracy.

Can also be considered to be a government without stretching the term in any way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism

Oh, crikey, federalism is a form of government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

Oh fuck, it is mainly used by a horde of anarchist writers :D





        Wait, you were whining about what the russian government
does, right? And on what grounds? Whatever the russian gov't
        does is 'legal'  and 'not criminal'....because they say so!
It might be legal, but it's definitely not moral. Which makes it
criminal.
        See? That's your 'theory' at work. Not a very clever
theory, I might add.

You're the inane one here. Juxtaposing random shit, yelling that all
governments are criminal enterprises like it means something.


        It's a basic truth, sonny. It may mean nothing to government
        worshiping psychos/neocons, but...it is still true.
Yea, all hail the state. The great provider.



HUMANITY IS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE BECAUSE IT'S AGENTS COMMIT CRIMES.
        No, your wrong analogy only shows that you don't know what
        you're talking about or are plainly dishonest. Or both.
No no, I'm not dishonest. It's just that you're polarizing. You can't find an individual to blame like a proper anarchist. So you blame a group. Like a fucking Nazi.


That obviously makes no sense because not all humans are agents that
commit crimes.
Neither do all agents of governments commit crimes.


        Yes they do, to varying degrees. They are all funded with
        stolen money for starters.

        
Well, that's a stretch since, well I can type my fingers raw with anarchist examples of governments, either in literature or in actuality.




On 6/17/2015 3:33 PM, Juan wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:53:55 -0400
Tim Beelen <[email protected]> wrote:

So, you have no knowledge of all the details of the CIA's
actions, but you are sure that they consist of violations? Is
that right?
        Of course. Government is a criminal organization, by
        definition.

        That's all you need to know about it.


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